NEED one of the Big Three Pitchers Left

[wildcard]

5 hours ago, sportsfan8703 said:

So it’s looking like the competition is between these teams,

Phillies

Brewers

Cardinals

Nationals

Angels

Mariners

Opening Day is 3-4 weeks away. I guess they are waiting for an injury to make a team desperate. We’re competing against a bunch of NL teams and teams in the AL that play a lot in big ballparks. 

Phillies - could sign one or more

Brewers - still in

Cardinals - Probably have 5 starters better than Cobb and Lynn and I doubt they send the money or Arrieta.

Nationals - Luxury tax is a problem, Some reports of interest in Arrieta

Angels -  

 @JeffFletcherOCR

 

Wondering if the #Angels are involved with any remaining free agents? GM Billy Eppler, this morning: "We feel very good about the group we have here. We are not looking to pursue anything. We are open minded to things that come around."

10:16 AM - 28 Feb 2018

 

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Mariners- I have not heard anything lately.

[murph]

Bob Nightengale from USA Today on the Fan just now said he expected Cobb and Lynn to end up with the Brewers and Twins and Arietta with the Nationals.  Just passing along....doubt anyone really knows for sure right now. 

[Number5]

1 hour ago, atomic said:

  Really I am tired of waiting for these guys to sign.  

Maybe in the next collective bargaining agreement they should have some free agent deadline where you can't sign free agents between March 1st and May 1st.  

No offense, and I understand where you're coming from, but I doubt if the players, their agents, or the teams care whether we fans get tired of waiting or not.  Neither side would push to put such a deadline into the next CBA unless they felt they would realize a benefit from doing so, IMO.

[Ripken]

It's a shame the lack of market and MASN money keeps the Nats from having a big payroll.  Oh, wait.

[gtman55]

If the Orioles are actually in win it now mode shouldn't they have signed one of these three guys already? I don't think their current rotation gets them to the post season. I could be wrong though.

[mdbdotcom]

3 minutes ago, gtman55 said:

If the Orioles are actually in win it now mode shouldn't they have signed one of these three guys already? I don't think their current rotation gets them to the post season. I could be wrong though.

If these three pitchers are in win now mode, is it likely that they would sign with the Orioles unless the O's offered a lot more than anyone else?

[atomic]

18 minutes ago, mdbdotcom said:

If these three pitchers are in win now mode, is it likely that they would sign with the Orioles unless the O's offered a lot more than anyone else?

I am sure all 3 pitchers are concerned with money first and foremost.

[Dark Helmet]

46 minutes ago, mdbdotcom said:

If these three pitchers are in win now mode, is it likely that they would sign with the Orioles unless the O's offered a lot more than anyone else?

At this point, their market has dropped so much they just want the most money. Regardless where that's at. All reports I've heard is that the Twins and Brewers are content now as are the Angels. The Nats don't have a huge need to add another SP, so they may rather save their resources for next year.

The Mariners may be in play for Cobb or Lynn. I still think Arrieta ends up in Philly.

[crawjo]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Orioles competed for a wild card spot. I have a feeling that Machado is going to have a really big year to position himself for next year's free agency. And our starting pitching will almost certainly be better, even if we don't add one of the three remaining starters. If you get any kind of bounceback season from Davis or Trumbo, you would almost certainly have a better offense than last year's. 

Lynn would be a nice addition, though. The rotation gets awful thin if one of the top four gets injured or is bad. 

[scbalt52]

What are some projections from you all for what these guys are going to get at this point? I'm not worried about with who, just strictly number curiosity. Arrieta, Lynn, and Cobb. I know no one knows for sure. I'll play since I'm asking.

Arrieta - 5/110

Lynn & Cobb - 4/68

You guys know a lot more than I do and keep up with it more, I'm interested to hear some number projections. I'm sure there are a lot of guesses through out this thread and others but I wasn't going to sift through them right now. 

[Yardball85]

18 minutes ago, scbalt52 said:

What are some projections from you all for what these guys are going to get at this point? I'm not worried about with who, just strictly number curiosity. Arrieta, Lynn, and Cobb. I know no one knows for sure. I'll play since I'm asking.

Arrieta - 5/110

Lynn & Cobb - 4/68

You guys know a lot more than I do and keep up with it more, I'm interested to hear some number projections. I'm sure there are a lot of guesses through out this thread and others but I wasn't going to sift through them right now. 

Arrieta's market and value are hard to predict.  He may take a 1 year deal in the $25M range, though 5 years $110M could be realistic from the Nats or Phillies.

I would be shocked if Lynn or Cobb get 4 years 68.  I think both will eventually settle in the 3 years, 42-48 range.

Just my two cents.

[jamalshw]

1 hour ago, Yardball85 said:

Arrieta's market and value are hard to predict.  He may take a 1 year deal in the $25M range, though 5 years $110M could be realistic from the Nats or Phillies.

I would be shocked if Lynn or Cobb get 4 years 68.  I think both will eventually settle in the 3 years, 42-48 range.

Just my two cents.

I agree with this. I think if Cobb could go back and take the 3/$42M or whatever it was from the Cubs, he would. He'll probably end up around there (or maybe higher), but I think he'd prefer to play for Maddon and the Cubs given the money will be around there anyway. I think Cobb and Lynn could both end up with vesting options based on innings or starts, but I do think 3 at around $15M AAV is where they each end up.

[FanSince88]

So there's three things I'm fairly sure of right now

1) We are about $30 million or so below last year's payroll

2) Our FO wants to avoid financial commitments past this year

3) Our FO wants to try to "contend" in 2018 (if they didn't, they'd have traded Machado).  

Given all these three things, why not offer one of the Big Three a huge one year deal.  Like 1 year for $25-30 million.  That way we are still only matching last season's payroll, we aren't adding financial commitments past 2018, and it gives us a decent shot at a playoff spot.  And the free agent pitcher gets to save some face because they're getting paid a lot more than the QO, and can hit the market next offseason when all the rich teams go over the luxury tax.  Everybody wins.  

It just makes too much sense, and I guess our FO doesn't like to do things that make sense.  Like signing Dyson -- a guy who provided speed and elite OF defense, two of the teams biggest non-pitching needs -- for a super cheap 2 year deal.  

[Bahama O's Fan]

28 minutes ago, FanSince88 said:

So there's three things I'm fairly sure of right now

1) We are about $30 million or so below last year's payroll

2) Our FO wants to avoid financial commitments past this year

3) Our FO wants to try to "contend" in 2018 (if they didn't, they'd have traded Machado).  

Given all these three things, why not offer one of the Big Three a huge one year deal.  Like 1 year for $25-30 million.  That way we are still only matching last season's payroll, we aren't adding financial commitments past 2018, and it gives us a decent shot at a playoff spot.  And the free agent pitcher gets to save some face because they're getting paid a lot more than the QO, and can hit the market next offseason when all the rich teams go over the luxury tax.  Everybody wins.  

It just makes too much sense, and I guess our FO doesn't like to do things that make sense.  Like signing Dyson -- a guy who provided speed and elite OF defense, two of the teams biggest non-pitching needs -- for a super cheap 2 year deal.  

I have thought about this several times. Here is the issue, I think. If this is were most other teams it would probably work, but if you were one of those pitchers, would you want to "re-establish" yourself in the AL East?

[theocean]

On 3/5/2018 at 12:01 PM, murph said:

Bob Nightengale from USA Today on the Fan just now said he expected Cobb and Lynn to end up with the Brewers and Twins and Arietta with the Nationals.  Just passing along....doubt anyone really knows for sure right now. 

I think that's probably how it shakes out. Cobb has to be kicking himself for not taking that Cubs deal.