Could the Orioles Move Out of Baltimore in 2024?

[FlipTheBird]

3 hours ago, Chromehill said:

Where exactly are those greener pastures?  Every city under consideration for expansion has issues, else a MLB team would already be there.  Tampa and Oakland, until they get their stadium issues resolved will get first choice of moving to a new location.

The biggest issue the Orioles have attendance wise is the owner, people are tired of the dysfunctional management of the team and lack of a plan being communicated to the fan base.

No, the crazy dedicated Orioles Hangout fan is upset with dysfunction and not hearing about a plan. The average fan would show up if the Orioles fielded a consistent winner. It's not rocket science. Win and people will come.

[FlipTheBird]

16 minutes ago, ORIOLE33 said:

Why is baseball so big on expansion when attendance is down?

The league has been setting new revenue records every year without fail. You don't necessarily require attendance to make money.

I think they also believe that having more teams in more markets will help them kick-start greater fan interest.

[FlipTheBird]

20 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

Im watching the rec league baseball teams, barely have enough players, and 2/3 less than what it was when my son played.

Before you say old neighborhood, the boys are just choosing other sports, like soccer is busting at the seams. From what I have heard, at least in Maryland, most rec leagues are seeing the same results.

 

Opportunity has hurt baseball at a youth level, as you noted. There are simply more options.

The last decade has also seen an enormous rise in kids settling on one sport and playing it exclusively - which has reduced overall participation and essentially killed traditional rec leagues in more areas. See travel ball, etc.

[Redskins Rick]

Just now, FlipTheBird said:

Opportunity has hurt baseball at a youth level, as you noted. There are simply more options.

The last decade has also seen an enormous rise in kids settling on one sport and playing it exclusively - which has reduced overall participation and essentially killed traditional rec leagues in more areas. See travel ball, etc.

The trend to provide new fancy uniforms for every player for every sport,  along with needing to pay umps/refs, as well as field fees, as made some families tell their kids, 1 sport per year, has to have impact too. So by the time you pay over $100 per child for the sport to participate, and then fork over the over money needed, cleats, socks, shin guards, etc, it adds up.

 

[Why Not?]

1 hour ago, FlipTheBird said:

Opportunity has hurt baseball at a youth level, as you noted. There are simply more options.

The last decade has also seen an enormous rise in kids settling on one sport and playing it exclusively - which has reduced overall participation and essentially killed traditional rec leagues in more areas. See travel ball, etc.

In my neck of the woods, the number of baseball participants is rising, especially at the T-Ball level. That said, the number of players declines at each age level. My kids' league had 9 T-Ball teams last year but just 3 teams at the 13-15 age level. 

I don't think it's that baseball is boring in general. But if you aren't any good, it can be VERY boring. Who wants to strike out three times and play RF two nights a week? Baseball is heartless. If you stink, it's painfully obvious that you stink. When kids realize that they stink, they quit.

If you stink at field sports like soccer, football or lacrosse, it's not as evident. It's easier to hide weak players and the kids don't get as discouraged/embarrassed as quickly

[O's are Legends]

According to this chart, the O's don't even exist anymore.

 

[weams]

Yes. Yes they may. 

[atomic]

On 7/2/2018 at 2:15 PM, Why Not? said:

In my neck of the woods, the number of baseball participants is rising, especially at the T-Ball level. That said, the number of players declines at each age level. My kids' league had 9 T-Ball teams last year but just 3 teams at the 13-15 age level. 

I don't think it's that baseball is boring in general. But if you aren't any good, it can be VERY boring. Who wants to strike out three times and play RF two nights a week? Baseball is heartless. If you stink, it's painfully obvious that you stink. When kids realize that they stink, they quit.

If you stink at field sports like soccer, football or lacrosse, it's not as evident. It's easier to hide weak players and the kids don't get as discouraged/embarrassed as quickly

Soccer is more fun to play than baseball. 

  Even if you are great at baseball and play shortstop most of the time you are just sitting or standing around.  

[weams]

Just now, atomic said:

Soccer is more fun to play than baseball. 

  Even if you are great at baseball and play shortstop most of the time you are just sitting or standing around.  

Disagree with you. Totally. 

[weams]

On 7/2/2018 at 7:12 AM, Aristotelian said:

Chicago has two teams. Violence does not seem to be an issue for MLB. Detroit, St Louis, etc. I think the bigger problem is the Nationals. 

Preach. 

[atomic]

2 minutes ago, weams said:

Disagree with you. Totally. 

You are disagree that a shortstop in baseball is mostly standing or sitting around?  They didn't have soccer leagues when I was growing up.  But I had soccer class and intramural. leagues in college where I played midfielder and you are constantly running.

[weams]

3 minutes ago, atomic said:

You are disagree that a shortstop in baseball is mostly standing or sitting around?  They didn't have soccer leagues when I was growing up.  But I had soccer class and intramural. leagues in college where I played midfielder and you are constantly running.

Playing baseball is much more fun than running around. 

[Can_of_corn]

3 minutes ago, atomic said:

You are disagree that a shortstop in baseball is mostly standing or sitting around?  They didn't have soccer leagues when I was growing up.  But I had soccer class and intramural. leagues in college where I played midfielder and you are constantly running.

I never had less fun playing a sport as I did playing soccer against a bunch of middle age Germans that totally outclassed me in skill.

I'd have more fun facing major league pitching.

[Can_of_corn]

5 minutes ago, atomic said:

You are disagree that a shortstop in baseball is mostly standing or sitting around?  They didn't have soccer leagues when I was growing up.  But I had soccer class and intramural. leagues in college where I played midfielder and you are constantly running.

If I want to run, I run.

You can just do the running part and leave out the ball and the teams.

[atomic]

Just now, Can_of_corn said:

If I want to run, I run.

You can just do the running part and leave out the ball and the teams.

I find running for running boring. Soccer and racquetball, basketball are fun and are high cardio.  Kids don't like just standing around.  I quit baseball at 13 because I was bored standing around in centerfield. It was the only option for spring sport at the time.  Maybe if I was better I would have liked it better.