Poll: Will the O's sign the Mesa brothers?

[Can_of_corn]

13 minutes ago, Aglets said:

How much would they have to spend to convince you that Mike is really trying?   

Hope this isn't considered trolling.   Pretty sure if you bringing this up again isn't then my reply is ok.

Not sure how making the comment I did in response to your post could be trolling.

 

[interloper]

7 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

So the same as last year.

Not playing this game with you, friend. Enjoy. 

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, interloper said:

Not playing this game with you, friend. Enjoy. 

It is a true statement to the best of my knowledge.

If you have evidence to the contrary please let me know.

[Aglets]

7 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Not sure how making the comment I did in response to your post could be trolling.

 

A form of trolling is bringing up the same topic 300-400 times, especially when there is no clear cut answer.  Like interloper I have no desire to debate this any further, my only reason for posting the list was in response to the preposterous implication made by the previous poster.

[Can_of_corn]

4 minutes ago, Aglets said:

A form of trolling is bringing up the same topic 300-400 times, especially when there is no clear cut answer.  Like interloper I have no desire to debate this any further, my only reason for posting the list was in response to the preposterous implication made by the previous poster.

300-400 times?

Hyperbole much?

It's a valid question and if anyone else had asked it you would agree.

[Frobby]

2 hours ago, atomic said:

Pretty useless article.  Dumbest statement in the article:

"They could have helped improve the overall talent base, but not having that money to trade and help the major league team get by could have made the Orioles a far worse team to watch than they already were in 2019"

Who were these guys that were used with the money to help the major league team?

Until the Orioles actually do something internationally under Elias I think praising them is very pre-mature.  The younger Mesa Brother  and  Gaston could turn out to be decent players.  

I agree it’s premature to say how our international program will do.  We’ve seen some encouraging signs, but the proof will be in the pudding, and the pudding will take several years to thicken.    

[Frobby]

26 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

300-400 times?

Hyperbole much?

It's a valid question and if anyone else had asked it you would agree.

Bottom line, we don’t know how much has been spent to date (2019-20 period) or what the plans are with respect to the remaining slot money available.    I don’t think there’s much data on what other teams have spent, either.    I feel that there was much more discussion in the national media last year (during the Mesa tryouts etc.) of how much money each team had remaining.    I’ve heard nothing about that this offseason (other than the Yankees).

[atomic]

1 hour ago, Aglets said:

I have a gift for you!

Here is a list of international talent signed by Mike Elias in 2019:   (list is from baseballamerica)

Baltimore Orioles
 

Luis Ortiz, lhp, Dominican Republic (video) - $400,000
Anderson Rogers, ss, Dominican Republic (video)
Luis Gonzalez, of, Dominican Republic (video) - $475,000
Leonel Sanchez, ss, Dominican Republic (video) - $400,000
Dax Stubbs, of, Bahamas
Moises Chace, rhp, Venezuela
Robert Martinez, ss, Dominican Republic
Moises Salas, lhp, Venezuela
Cesar Aguasvivas, ss, Domnican Republic
Raul Rangel, rhp, Venezuela
Luis De La Cruz, of, Dominican Republic
Charbel Abboud rhp, Venezuela
Harol Arias, rhp, Venezuela
Erick Caines, rhp, Dominican Republic
Ricardo Rivera, c, Colombia
Jesus Alvarado, of, Venezuela
Francisco Crispin, rhp, Dominican Republic
Cesar Alvarez, rhp, Venezuela
Kenny Baez, c, Dominican Republic
Rolphy Cruz, ss, Dominican Republic
Jose Ramirez, lhp, Venezuela
Edgar Portes, rhp, Dominican Republic
Johan Berroa, lhp, Dominican Republic
Randy Beriguete, rhp, Dominican Republic
Adrion Lacle, lhp, Aruba
Erinson Placencia, rhp, Dominican Republic
Alejandro Mendez, rhp, Dominican Republic

DD signed guys every year.  They had a team in the 2018 DR summer league that did pretty well.  I am not sure what not even spending a 1/3rd of your allotment says about a team.  Some teams like to exceed their allotment by trading for more slots.  The Orioles on the other hand.  Looks like their biggest signing was 450k.  We spent a lot more than that on Hank U by himself.  

I mean use up all your slots and sign guys in the top 50.  By the time the Orioles say they are ready to go after top talent there will be an International draft. 

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Frobby said:

Bottom line, we don’t know how much has been spent to date (2019-20 period) or what the plans are with respect to the remaining slot money available.    I don’t think there’s much data on what other teams have spent, either.    I feel that there was much more discussion in the national media last year (during the Mesa tryouts etc.) of how much money each team had remaining.    I’ve heard nothing about that this offseason (other than the Yankees).

Didn't Elias state that the O's wouldn't be trading any slot money from this period? 

[Can_of_corn]

3 minutes ago, atomic said:

DD signed guys every year.  They had a team in the 2018 DR summer league that did pretty well.  I am not sure what not even spending a 1/3rd of your allotment says about a team.  Some teams like to exceed their allotment by trading for more slots.  The Orioles on the other hand.  Looks like their biggest signing was 450k.  We spent a lot more than that on Hank U by himself.  

I mean use up all your slots and sign guys in the top 50.  By the time the Orioles say they are ready to go after top talent there will be an International draft. 

The DSL is the ultimate record doesn't matter league.  You can have 17 and 23 year olds playing each other.

[Frobby]

4 minutes ago, atomic said:

DD signed guys every year.  They had a team in the 2018 DR summer league that did pretty well.  I am not sure what not even spending a 1/3rd of your allotment says about a team.  Some teams like to exceed their allotment by trading for more slots.  The Orioles on the other hand.  Looks like their biggest signing was 450k.  We spent a lot more than that on Hank U by himself.  

I mean use up all your slots and sign guys in the top 50.  By the time the Orioles say they are ready to go after top talent there will be an International draft. 

Everyone (including you) knows that we weren’t well positioned to go get the cream of the crop of the July 2019 class, most of whom were informally committed to tesms before Elias was even hired.    I think he and Perez have made decent progress given where they started.    But as I said, the proof will come later.    
 

As to our 2018 DR team, they averaged like 3 years older than the average team in the league.  

[atomic]

1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

The DSL is the ultimate record doesn't matter league.  You can have 17 and 23 year olds playing each other.

Looks like they had 3 17 year olds and 7 18 year olds on the team in 2018.  Seems like most of those guys were still on the team in 2019.  

[Frobby]

3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Didn't Elias state that the O's wouldn't be trading any slot money from this period? 

There was some quote to that effect, or at least that the O’s didn’t plan to trade any.    But plans can change based on circumstances.   Let’s say it’s late March, we’ve got a million or two in slots left and nobody we really like in the amateur market, and we have an opportunity to trade some slots for some AAA guy we like.    Are we really going to hold off just because we said before we weren’t planning to trade any slots?    I doubt it.    We’ll see what happens.   

[Can_of_corn]

6 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Everyone (including you) knows that we weren’t well positioned to go get the cream of the crop of the July 2019 class, most of whom were informally committed to tesms before Elias was even hired.    I think he and Perez have made decent progress given where they started.    But as I said, the proof will come later.    
 

As to our 2018 DR team, they averaged like 3 years older than the average team in the league.  

I'm not worried about cream.  I'll take a full glass of skim milk at this point.  Just don't stick me with another half full glass of that powered stuff.

I don't think it's an unreasonable expectation that the O's have a top 28 International class this year.

[Frobby]

1 minute ago, atomic said:

Looks like they had 3 17 year olds and 7 18 year olds on the team in 2018.  Seems like most of those guys were still on the team in 2019.  

We had many more young players in 2019 than in 2018.    And some of those were DD era signings in the few months before he left.