Loverro takes one last shot at Angelos and Baltimore

[Tony-OH]

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jul/16/orioles-rebuild-doomed-long-angelos-owns-team/?fbclid=IwAR2wFF7pzZhjbrllBsqotCivr1tqLncT91saLdxFEDY5HTkZWWO1ghhTUyE

Here is my response:

Peter Angelos is no longer making any decision on the Baltimore Orioles. You make several valid points on the city, and I too have heard fan's concerns, but you glossed over the arrival of Mike Elias and the fact that the sons have given him the control to run the organization as never before under an Angelos-led organization..

They are in the international prospect scene like never before, hiring known and popular Latin american scout Kobi Perez to lead that effort. The hiring of Sig Mejdal has keyed the Orioles resurgence in using analytics to affect decisions on and off the field and the Orioles farm system will end up close to a top ten system by the end of the year in many publications.

So yes, things are very bleak right now on the field and yes the "sins of the father" haunt this franchise a bit, but John and Lou have done nothing to suggest they will run the team like their father and they are now in charge of the franchise.

Attendance is down across baseball so it's unfair to point out the falling attendance on a team that has been the worse team in baseball for the last two years. The Nationals are down 3,300 fans from 2018 and they are contending and in first place for a wild card spot.

It appears you've taken the time to kick a team and city while it's down while focusing on it's past, not it's future that now looks much brighter thanks to the arrival of Mike Elias.

[eddie83]

He ties it all back to John Vidalin leaving. Someone the vast majority Orioles fans have never heard of.

I am curious as to what happened but there isn’t a business expert in the world who can help attendance substantially at a time like this.  

 

[Moose Milligan]

Tony's response is appropriate.  Loverro is either...out of touch or has an axe to grind.  Or just needed to fart out a column to meet a deadline and couldn't be bothered to do any research.  Or a combination of the three.  And I like Loverro.  I've been around him, he's a nice guy.

It's easy to kick the Orioles while they're down, no doubt about it.  The correct story to tell would be that Angelos is reportedly out of the picture, the sons are in charge and have given the reigns over to part of the FO team that helped get the Astros to become yearly contenders.  That's all factual, not hyperbole.

You can still write that column and still take shots at Angelos.  By and large, his ownership has been a failure, no one will debate that.  

[Going Underground]

10 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

He ties it all back to John Vidalin leaving. Someone the vast majority Orioles fans have never heard of.

I am curious as to what happened but there isn’t a business expert in the world who can help attendance substantially at a time like this.  

 

Winning does wonders. Phillies when winning in 2011  averaged 45,440 and were  first in attendance. In 2015 they were 25th in attendance ,averaging 23,475. Eight in attendance  this year, averaging 35,509.

[wildcard]

Why do you think it is Loverro last shot at Angelos and Baltimore?

[eddie83]

4 minutes ago, Going Underground said:

Winning does wonders. Phillies when winning in 2011  averaged 45,440 and were  first in attendance. In 2015 they were 25th in attendance ,averaging 23,475. Eight in attendance  this year, averaging 35,509.

I certainly don’t agree with everything the Orioles do, like the high prices for the giveaway games, but to write a column like this is comical. 

Perhaps the sons will have to sell the team but we have seen more positive developments in the last year than the last 25 combined in terms of baseball operations. 

The greatest sports exec in the world is not going to bring in strong attendance when the team admits before the year they aren’t trying to win.  

[TINSTAAPP]

 

14 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

I certainly don’t agree with everything the Orioles do, like the high prices for the giveaway games, but to write a column like this is comical. 

Perhaps the sons will have to sell the team but we have seen more positive developments in the last year than the last 25 combined in terms of baseball operations. 

The greatest sports exec in the world is not going to bring in strong attendance when the team admits before the year they aren’t trying to win.  

Chris Davis is still on the 25-man roster. I won't buy into the fact that the organization has the utmost commitment to winning until they eat the money left on Davis' contract and buy him out.   

[Tony-OH]

19 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Why do you think it is Loverro last shot at Angelos and Baltimore?

Just a quick headline to grab attention. Feel free to change the word "last" to latest if you so choose. 

[Frobby]

I thought it was a very stupid and superficial column.    There’s no information about Vidalin’s reasons for leaving, he’s got nothing to do with baseball operations, and yet Loverro leads and ends with that as though it has some deeper meaning.    Perhaps it does, but Loverro certainly didn’t give any clue as to why.  

As to the water main break, perhaps Loverro didn’t notice the major damage done in DC by last week’s flash floods.     I don’t see that as a symbol of anything other than the reporter’s laziness.   

[interloper]

These kind of takes are becoming less and less relevant. 

[interloper]

He mentions Elias exactly one time in the article. And for that reason, you can basically throw it in the garbage. 

[CallMeBrooksie]

10 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I thought it was a very stupid and superficial column.    There’s no information about Vidalin’s reasons for leaving, he’s got nothing to do with baseball operations, and yet Loverro leads and ends with that as though it has some deeper meaning.    Perhaps it does, but Loverro certainly didn’t give any clue as to why.  

As to the water main break, perhaps Loverro didn’t notice the major damage done in DC by last week’s flash floods.     I don’t see that as a symbol of anything other than the reporter’s laziness.   

Lazy is really the only appropriate word to describe this article. @Tony-OH  has to keep it respectful with Laverro as a member of the media, but he essentially said as much without actually using the word. 

I mean, let's say the O's get sold today to the best baseball owner we could possibly hope for... does Laverro think that a competent owner would aim to make the team competitive by 2020? Surely that's not the case.

[weams]

27 minutes ago, TINSTAAPP said:

 

Chris Davis is still on the 25-man roster. I won't buy into the fact that the organization has the utmost commitment to winning until they eat the money left on Davis' contract and buy him out.   

But that is just your line in the sand  It doesn’t mean anything. 

[weams]

24 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I thought it was a very stupid and superficial column.    There’s no information about Vidalin’s reasons for leaving, he’s got nothing to do with baseball operations, and yet Loverro leads and ends with that as though it has some deeper meaning.    Perhaps it does, but Loverro certainly didn’t give any clue as to why.  

As to the water main break, perhaps Loverro didn’t notice the major damage done in DC by last week’s flash floods.     I don’t see that as a symbol of anything other than the reporter’s laziness.   

Stupid. Superficial. Excellent word choices. By the way. I spent the weekend on Baltimore St  Never uncomfortable at any time day or night. Nice city to hang out in. Cities require a certain effort.  So does living on a farm. 

[eddie83]

37 minutes ago, TINSTAAPP said:

 

Chris Davis is still on the 25-man roster. I won't buy into the fact that the organization has the utmost commitment to winning until they eat the money left on Davis' contract and buy him out.   

They aren’t trying to win this year. They have basically put up a sign and said so.  

There aren’t too many people on here who don’t want him gone. That said whether he is here or not has little impact on the 2019 record.