Dan Duquette did pretty well with July 2018 trades

[wildcard]

1 minute ago, Big Mac said:

6 man rotation or they'll leave Baumann at Bowie until Akin is promoted.

Good answer but the way Baumann pitched a AA I don't see why they would leave him there.  Does he have to pitch another no hitter to get a promotion?

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11 minutes ago, byrdz said:

The Schoop trade may be a gift that keeps on giving assuming Elias can works some trade magic with Villar.

School got hot at the right time too in 2018 the only month he posted an OPS of greater than .650 was July with a 1.056 OPS. 

I never thought the Orioles would get anything of value for Schoop last year and so far this is the best trade from last year's fire sale. 

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1 hour ago, oriole said:

I don’t know if I’d go that far. He was one of the leagues top relievers and we all had hoped he could recapture that after recovering. It was a lot to pay for a half season of relief pitching but I don’t think I’d have done it differently. And I’m still harboring hope that Tate can translate his relief success to the majors.

He did not pitch a half season. And certainly not at top reliever status. Nor did he bring back much other than salary relief. 

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7 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Good answer but the way Baumann pitched a AA I don't see why they would leave him there.  Does he have to pitch another no hitter to get a promotion?

Tillman did. 

[Frobby]

1 hour ago, weams said:

It's so insignificant. Nowhere was a future changing asset exchanged. 

1.   That remains to be seen.

2.   I don’t think I’d define the criterion for a successful trade that extremely.  

Let’s say that Diaz turns out to be a league average RF, Kremer becomes a no. 4-5 starter, and Pop and Bannon get some major league time.   I’m not sure if any piece of that equates to “future changing asset,” but I’d sure call that a very successful trade.   

Ironically, if Villar has 2.3 good years for us while we’re terrible and Ortiz and Carmona prove useless, I don’t regard that trade as strategically successful even though Villar > Schoop while we had him.   The idea here is to get assets that contribute to our next winning team.    

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7 minutes ago, Frobby said:

1.   That remains to be seen.

2.   I don’t think I’d define the criterion for a successful trade that extremely.  

Let’s say that Diaz turns out to be a league average RF, Kremer becomes a no. 4-5 starter, and Pop and Bannon get some major league time.   I’m not sure if any piece of that equates to “future changing asset,” but I’d sure call that a very successful trade.   

Ironically, if Villar has 2.3 good years for us while we’re terrible and Ortiz and Carmona prove useless, I don’t regard that trade as strategically successful even though Villar > Schoop while we had him.   The idea here is to get assets that contribute to our next winning team.    

I'm really on board with this take. Diaz might be real good and Kremer ok.  Manny was worth at least that. I guess that was my deal. Schoop was worth little. Britton as well. Gausman net O'Dey certainly. 

It's just that you could get quite a bit for Manny at any point. I don't feel overwhelmed. 

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I'll reserve judgment until 2022.

[wildcard]

14 minutes ago, Frobby said:

The idea here is to get assets that contribute to our next winning team.    

Not neccessarily.   The idea is to improve the talent and accumulate player(s) that can contribute with more service time.    At the time of the trade, Schoop would have been a FA at the end of 2019.  Villar has until the end of 2020.  That is an extra year to give the O's value or for the O's to trade him.  That added value to the trade for the O's.

[theocean]

I don't think we can truly grade Duquette on the July 2018 trades, simply because we have no idea how much autonomy he had.

If ownership told him to clear as much salary as possible, I'd give Duquette a pretty good grade because he managed to get some decent assets while primarily just trying to move money. He also traded for international money and was never given the opportunity to use it.

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4 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Not neccessarily.   The idea is to improve the talent and accumulate player(s) that can contribute with more service time.    At the time of the trade, Schoop would have been a FA at the end of 2019.  Villar has until the end of 2020.  That is an extra year to give the O's value or for the O's to trade him.  That added value to the trade for the O's.

Arbitration changes that. Service time financial gains outpace actual value frequently.  

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1 minute ago, weams said:

Arbitration changes that. Service time financial gains outpace actual value frequently.  

That is a reason to trade a player.    But the player still can have value.

I agree there are some situations were the player is not worth the arbitration value to any team but I hope that is not the case with Villar.

[Frobby]

6 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Not neccessarily.   The idea is to improve the talent and accumulate player(s) that can contribute with more service time.    At the time of the trade, Schoop would have been a FA at the end of 2019.  Villar has until the end of 2020.  That is an extra year to give the O's value or for the O's to trade him.  That added value to the trade for the O's.

Sure it added value, but if that value comes exclusively while the team is terrible, I’d say it served little strategic purpose.    Now, if we trade Villar for some useful future pieces because of his good season this year, then maybe we got some strategic value out of the trade.    

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1 minute ago, wildcard said:

That is a reason to trade a player.    But the player still can have value.

I agree there are some situations were the player is not worth the arbitration value to any team but I hope that is not the case with Villar.

I think he is worth slightly more than that expense to someone. 

[oriole]

29 minutes ago, weams said:

He did not pitch a half season. And certainly not at top reliever status. Nor did he bring back much other than salary relief. 

Not my money but I think it was worth a roll of the dice. Especially considering we all humorously thought contention was within reason lol

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5 minutes ago, Frobby said:

    Now, if we trade Villar for some useful future pieces because of his good season this year, then maybe we got some strategic value out of the trade.    

That's my point.