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4 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Sorry.  I meant 970.

I know - I just couldn’t help myself after the call for “something brilliant.”

The way I see it, the guy is 30 years old, has a career 1.2 rWAR and a best season of 0.8.    The advanced metrics have him as a slightly below average defender at SS, and he’s a .670 OPS career hitter.     I’d rather try somebody younger.    

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I think it's a great idea to judge his defense based on his MLB highlights. In other news I was just looking at Stevie Wilkerson's MLB highlights and what a center fielder!

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You quoted Cronenworth 767 OPS in the minors but you ignored the 375 OBP.  He is a on base guy, not a power hitter.   He's a #2 hitter in a good lineup.  He hit for a 949 OPS in 406 plate appearance i

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5 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I know - I just couldn’t help myself after the call for “something brilliant.”

The way I see it, the guy is 30 years old, has a career 1.2 rWAR and a best season of 0.8.    The advanced metrics have him as a slightly below average defender at SS, and he’s a .670 OPS career hitter.     I’d rather try somebody younger.    

Like who????  I'm waiting for someone to come up with someone better.  I have Galvis as the #1 target and Adrianza if they can't sign Galvis.  

Who you got?

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1 minute ago, Frobby said:

Kaiser Soza.

Honestly, I’m not going to scour BB-ref for all the unproven shortstops who might be able to produce 0.5 - 1.0 rWAR if things broke their way.   You’d have to pay me to do that job.   

So you got nothing.   I will keep waiting for someone to come up with somebody better.

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4 hours ago, ofan239 said:

I saw the Padres were making a serious run at Ha Seong Kim . If that is the case I wonder if they would consider trading Jake Cronenworth who I would think would make an excellent addition to our team. He played shortsop and second base and if they get Ha Seong Kim I would think he would be their be their second baseman with shortstop and  third base already filled with Machado and Fernando Tatis . If available what would it take to get him . I would think the Os could get him at a reasonable price .354 on base percentage last year . Put him at short . But could also cover other infield spots as well . Thoughts ? I am just looking at other options besides others such as Freddy Galvis .

Interesting suggestion.  Apparently he's got a great arm (threw 95 MPH as a closer) and might be a better fit as a SS than a 2Bman.  Also seems like added strength has improved his hitting.  

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1 minute ago, wildcard said:

591 OPS is not better.   

And of course, you take a SSS (because it’s what you do) and fail to project him to do anything.  The guy you want isn’t good. His career has shown that.  Martin probably isn’t good either but if the bar is a 1 WAR by the time you are 30, I think I give the far younger player the chance to reach that ever so lofty standard.

 

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3 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

And of course, you take a SSS (because it’s what you do) and fail to project him to do anything.  The guy you want isn’t good. His career has shown that.  Martin probably isn’t good either but if the bar is a 1 WAR by the time you are 30, I think I give the far younger player the chance to reach that ever so lofty standard.

 

I do project Martin.  I project him to begin the season in AAA and show he can do better.

So you don't want Galvis?

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And of course, you take a SSS (because it’s what you do) and fail to project him to do anything.  The guy you want isn’t good. His career has shown that.  Martin probably isn’t good either but if the bar is a 1 WAR by the time you are 30, I think I give the far younger player the chance to reach that ever so lofty standard.

 

It’s not a huge sample size, but it’s not as if Martin hit well for most of his minor league career.    And it’s not like he looked good at the plate, either.    He looked totally overmatched most of the time.   I’d like Martin to have some serious competition for the job, put it that way.   

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4 minutes ago, Frobby said:

That somebody will need to be Mike Elias, who gets paid to do that job.  

As I said.  I will wait for someone to come up with somebody better. Mike would be fine.  But if anyone that posts here has someone better I would love to hear from them.

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It’s not a huge sample size, but it’s not as if Martin hit well for most of his minor league career.    And it’s not like he looked good at the plate, either.    He looked totally overmatched most of the time.   I’d like Martin to have some serious competition for the job, put it that way.   

His serious competition right now is Yolmer Sanchez.  Mike thinks he can play SS.

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