Jorge Lopez 2021

[wildcard]

Lopez pitched well tonight.  He pitched as good as Matt Harvey did against a tougher opponent.   He just needed some help from his bullpen and his manager and he did not get it tonight.  He had two outs in the 5th.  He just needed someone to come in an get the last out.   That was not too much to ask.

In my mind he went 4.2 IP allowing 1 ER.

[LTO's]

1 hour ago, Il BuonO said:

No. Thing is, even w/ the mistake to Judge I thought he looked ok. Then, the wheels fell off.

Barely even a mistake. Would've been an out in 27 of the 30 ball parks apparently 

[Frobby]

12 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Lopez pitched well tonight.  He pitched as good as Matt Harvey did against a tougher opponent.   He just needed some help from his bullpen and his manager and he did not get it tonight.  He had two outs in the 5th.  He just needed someone to come in an get the last out.   That was not too much to ask.

In my mind he went 4.2 IP allowing 1 ER.

He deserved better.   But when you leave the bases loaded, even with two outs, there’s a 31.6% chance that at least one run will score.    On average, .75 runs will score in that situation.   So Lopez isn’t blameless there.    

The pitch Armstrong threw Stanton was pathetic.   Might as well have put it on a tee.    
 

[Sports Guy]

55% of his pitches were strikes.  That’s not good.  
 

I didn’t get to see the game tonight but that number jumped out at me.

 

[BohKnowsBmore]

38 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

55% of his pitches were strikes.  That’s not good.  
 

I didn’t get to see the game tonight but that number jumped out at me.

 

His strike/ball percentages took a nosedive in the 5th. By my count he threw 14 balls and 7 strikes (balls in play counted as strikes) in the fifth before exiting. That’s a 33% strike rate on 21 pitches (against 75 total). 

I was never a fan of the constant hindsight around when Buck should have removed certain pitchers, BUT I would point out that I stated my preference before this game that López be used as a 3 or 4 inning guy max with someone like LeBlanc (or Akin, Zimmerman, etc. in future) to follow. 

[SteveA]

27 minutes ago, BohKnowsBmore said:

His strike/ball percentages took a nosedive in the 5th. By my count he threw 14 balls and 7 strikes (balls in play counted as strikes) in the fifth before exiting. That’s a 33% strike rate on 21 pitches (against 75 total). 

I was never a fan of the constant hindsight around when Buck should have removed certain pitchers, BUT I would point out that I stated my preference before this game that López be used as a 3 or 4 inning guy max with someone like LeBlanc (or Akin, Zimmerman, etc. in future) to follow. 

Yeah I kind of assumed tonight was going to be a Lopez/LeBlanc tag tea.  At least you go from a eighty to a lefty, go less than. 2 times through the order with each, and see where you are in the 6th to determine who comes on in relief.

Seemed like an ideal plan but I guess it was never the plan.

[Sports Guy]

7 hours ago, BohKnowsBmore said:

His strike/ball percentages took a nosedive in the 5th. By my count he threw 14 balls and 7 strikes (balls in play counted as strikes) in the fifth before exiting. That’s a 33% strike rate on 21 pitches (against 75 total). 

I was never a fan of the constant hindsight around when Buck should have removed certain pitchers, BUT I would point out that I stated my preference before this game that López be used as a 3 or 4 inning guy max with someone like LeBlanc (or Akin, Zimmerman, etc. in future) to follow. 

That’s fine..Lopez can be in the pen until better options come here.  
 

He just shouldn’t be in the rotation unless it’s an opener type thing but even then, I would rather see others in that spot but whatever.

[Yardball85]

I think he pitched well.  End of the day, though, he might be best served as a middle innings, swing man/long man.  I liked what I saw. 

[interloper]

9 hours ago, Frobby said:

He deserved better.   But when you leave the bases loaded, even with two outs, there’s a 31.6% chance that at least one run will score.    On average, .75 runs will score in that situation.   So Lopez isn’t blameless there.    

The pitch Armstrong threw Stanton was pathetic.   Might as well have put it on a tee.    
 

Dude. That was the meatiest meatball that ever meated. Expect much better from Armstrong. Really terrible pitch. 

[wildcard]

32 minutes ago, Yardball85 said:

I think he pitched well.  End of the day, though, he might be best served as a middle innings, swing man/long man.  I liked what I saw. 

There is not much room in the pen until there is an injury.  

Out of options:  (4) Valdez, Armstrong, Plutko, LeBlanc

Rule 5; (2)  T Well , Sceroler

Needed lefties that will not be optioned: (2) Scott, Fry

Total (8)   The O's need to option Tate and add a bench player.  It appears that the Rule 5 guys can hold their own and the starters can go deep enough to not tax the pen.   Especially with so many mid/long relievers in the pen.

So until there is an injury in the pen I don't think there is room for Lopez there

[Sports Guy]

7 minutes ago, wildcard said:

It appears that the Rule 5 guys can hold their own and the starters can go deep enough to not tax the pen.  

Seriously?  4 games in and you are already making these statements?  
 

 

[wildcard]

14 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Seriously?  4 games in and you are already making these statements?  
 

 

1 month and 4 games.

[Sports Guy]

2 minutes ago, wildcard said:

1 month and 4 games.

Lol...ok, now I know you are joking.  No one went deep into games in ST,  Mac S had relatively poor ST numbers and Wells didn’t face tough competition in the spring.

Not to mention, it’s spring training.

[wildcard]

17 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Lol...ok, now I know you are joking.  No one went deep into games in ST,  Mac S had relatively poor ST numbers and Wells didn’t face tough competition in the spring.

Not to mention, it’s spring training.

Elias, Hyde and Holt were evaluating in ST and so was I.   I don't know what you were doing.

Mac had a poor 2nd outing in ST then he had three outings for 5.2 IP  scoreless.

Wells pitched 9 innings is ST to an ERA of 1.00.  He went 3 scoreless in his last outing.

Their first outings in the the regular season just verify what they did in ST.

Just because you were not paying attention doesn't mean no-one was.

[Sports Guy]

4 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Elias, Hyde and Holt were evaluating in ST and so was I.   I don't know what you were doing.

Mac had a poor 2nd outing in ST then he had three outings for 5.2 IP  scoreless.

Wells pitched 9 innings is ST to an ERA of 1.00.  He went 3 scoreless in his last outing.

Their first outings in the the regular season just verify what they did in ST.

Just because you were not paying attention doesn't mean no-one was.

Well, you didn’t address the competition Wells faced, which was my point with him.

Nor sure why we are cherry picking one outing but that’s what you do, so I’m not surprised.

End of the day, you are talking about a total of about 20 innings between 2 players, both of whom faced mediocre competition  for a huge majority of those innings and yet you think they have already proven that they can “hold their own”.

Its an absurd statement to make right now.  They have proven nothing especially since Mac wasn’t even that good in the minors (especially considering age and level reached) and that Wells hadn’t pitched since 2018.

I don’t understand why you put so much weight into small sample sizes.  It almost always comes back to bite you and show you to be over the top.  Before you make these grand proclamations about their performances, why not wait and see how they do over a longer period of time?

Its fine to have a certain expectation based on what you know prior to them being out there but to already say, yep they can hold their own against the best in the world, is incredibly over the top.