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1 hour ago, MurphDogg said:

A utility guy who can play a plus defensive shortstop is very different than one who cannot play shortstop at all. They are entirely different roles. 

Yeah. I'm saying one of those guys, probably Mateo IMO, fits in a Flaherty type of role whereas Vavra is more of a 4th OF plus sometimes 2B. His bat has value I think.

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The Orioles have played Vavra in the outfield 6 times (5 in CF, 1 in LF for the first time ever professionally) and at 2B 4 times so far this season. So early on it appears they are certainly giving h

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As much as I want to see Vavra, Westburg, Henderson, and Stowers, there's an element of "if it's not broke don't fix it" going on.    This is not the time to be trading/releasing Odor or even turning

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The Orioles have played Vavra in the outfield 6 times (5 in CF, 1 in LF for the first time ever professionally) and at 2B 4 times so far this season. So early on it appears they are certainly giving him a look as a 4th outfielder type who can play 2B if needed. 

Vavra has really good at bats and sees a lot of pitches. He's a gap to gap guy, line drive guy who will occasionally pop a homer, but power is not going to be a big part of his game. One of the reasons he fell on my rankings a bit was my concerns that he's not a full-time player because he's not a plus fielder anywhere and doesn't bring much pop. The concern with high OBP guys without a lot of pop is when they reach the majors, pitchers will come right at them because they don't fear them. See Joey Rickard as a good example. 

Defensively at 2B he's ok, but his limitations with a below average arm and he's not a quick turn at 2B in DPs. His hands and range are average at best so he's not going to kill you, but he's not going to bring plus value either. I haven't seen him enough in the outfield to have an informed opinion yet on him out there but the arm will be below average. 

So what's his future role in the big leagues? Well, he's probably a pretty good PH option late in games because he'll have good PAs won't chase too many pitcher pitches. As a left-handed hitter, he's a better option on the bench than say McKenna because the guys you want to pinch hit for late in games against good righties are Mateo and Chirinos and maybe even Urias right now. 

McKenna has a much better arm and can play all three outfield positions while Vavra is probably a CF/LF option. That's not a huge issue because both Hays and Santander can play RF and Mateo can go out there if needed. 

Honestly, McKenna is not bringing much to the team right now besides pinch running and outfield defense late in games for Santander. If Vavra can show he can provide good defense in LF, they can move Hays to RF late in games if they want the good defense option. Vavra then provide a decent LH pinch hitting bat and can spell Hays against tough righties. 

 

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3 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

The Orioles have played Vavra in the outfield 6 times (5 in CF, 1 in LF for the first time ever professionally) and at 2B 4 times so far this season. So early on it appears they are certainly giving him a look as a 4th outfielder type who can play 2B if needed. 

Vavra has really good at bats and sees a lot of pitches. He's a gap to gap guy, line drive guy who will occasionally pop a homer, but power is not going to be a big part of his game. One of the reasons he fell on my rankings a bit was my concerns that he's not a full-time player because he's not a plus fielder anywhere and doesn't bring much pop. The concern with high OBP guys without a lot of pop is when they reach the majors, pitchers will come right at them because they don't fear them. See Joey Rickard as a good example. 

Defensively at 2B he's ok, but his limitations with a below average arm and he's not a quick turn at 2B in DPs. His hands and range are average at best so he's not going to kill you, but he's not going to bring plus value either. I haven't seen him enough in the outfield to have an informed opinion yet on him out there but the arm will be below average. 

So what's his future role in the big leagues? Well, he's probably a pretty good PH option late in games because he'll have good PAs won't chase too many pitcher pitches. As a left-handed hitter, he's a better option on the bench than say McKenna because the guys you want to pinch hit for late in games against good righties are Mateo and Chirinos and maybe even Urias right now. 

McKenna has a much better arm and can play all three outfield positions while Vavra is probably a CF/LF option. That's not a huge issue because both Hays and Santander can play RF and Mateo can go out there if needed. 

Honestly, McKenna is not bringing much to the team right now besides pinch running and outfield defense late in games for Santander. If Vavra can show he can provide good defense in LF, they can move Hays to RF late in games if they want the good defense option. Vavra then provide a decent LH pinch hitting bat and can spell Hays against tough righties. 

 

If the O's have Mullins, Hays, Santander and in May Stowers in the OF I don't see much playing time for Vavra in the OF.  It will take injuries to get him to the majors is my thinking.

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32 minutes ago, wildcard said:

If the O's have Mullins, Hays, Santander and in May Stowers in the OF I don't see much playing time for Vavra in the OF.  It will take injuries to get him to the majors is my thinking.

Yes. Either that or we're getting to the part of the rebuild where we're trading guys away. Could (should) be an interesting deadline and offseason on the trade front.

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You all are constructing the roster as if the Orioles are going to have 9 guys with 500+ plate attempts. The reality is teams usually have more like 4-6 of those guys, and then 12 guys (in total) who get 200+. Even if Hays and Urias are both 400 PA guys (ie Brett Gardener last year), that's still 300+ PA for another bat 

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14 minutes ago, emmett16 said:

Vavra was just taken out of game.  Injured himself rounding first.  Couldn’t quite tell what happened.  

Good Lord you guys are quick. lol

Yeah, he was able to to take a few jogs down the 1st base line but by the time the game was back on he was taken out. Hopefully it's not too bad and it's not his back again.

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On 4/19/2022 at 10:27 AM, interloper said:

Yeah, Vavra's only real option on the ML active roster is to replace Odor as the left-handed hitting 2B, or McKenna as the backup CF. I'm down for either of those options. That's an upgrade on either roster spot IMO. 

It depends on if the Orioles view Urias as a back-up option to Mateo. If so, he can take Owings spot on the roster, too. I wouldn't mind a full swap of the Odor, Owings, McKenna and Gutierrez for Bannon, Jones, Martin and Vavra, but that's certainly not going to happen.  

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