Are we buyers or sellers?

[btdart20]

If we are a .500 team for the rest of the season, we're still 77-85.  We would have to be a .600 team for ROS, to get to 88-74.  So, the most likely 2022 ceiling is still missing the playoffs.  

So, in general, I'm still in the stacking talent mindset with an eye to compete in 2023 and consistently beyond. 

Lyles and his team option should have decent value.  I do see the value of keeping him to stabilize the rotation for 2023 as well, but next year's FA SP is pretty solid too.  Lopez and Bautista are at peek market value this year, so trade them.  We should keep Tate and Akin.  I would trade Mullins or Hays, not both.  Lean toward trading Mullins.  Mancini and Santander can be traded.  Stowers is ready for OF and Nottingham is knocking for DH.  

Mateo may have some market value, but I'd be fine holding him as well.  His position flexibility (SS/OF) leaves the door open to trade an OFer and/or sign a FA SS heading into 2023.  

 

Interesting tilt to the poll responses.  And interesting non-responders considering the chatter as well.

[Emory Eagle]

We are definitely sellers, but I do wonder where on earth the SP we will need to be competitive in the next few years will come from…

[NelsonCruuuuuz]

Any day now after Grod injury announced Elias will declare “we are further behind in the rebuild than originally anticipated” speech. And trade everyone not nailed down for salary relief. 

 

Maybe if you stop making awful picks in the first round…org might improve faster. Look at Jordan Lawlar’s stats, maddening!!!

 

https://www.milb.com/player/jordan-lawlar-691783

[NelsonCruuuuuz]

9 minutes ago, Emory Eagle said:

We are definitely sellers, but I do wonder where on earth the SP we will need to be competitive in the next few years will come from…

Not the first 4 rounds of the draft, that’s for certain. 

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

1 minute ago, NelsonCruuuuuz said:

Any day now after Grod injury announced Elias will declare “we are further behind in the rebuild than originally anticipated” speech. And trade everyone not nailed down for salary relief. 

 

Maybe if you stop making awful picks in the first round…org might improve faster. Look at Jordan Lawlar’s stats, maddening!!!

 

https://www.milb.com/player/jordan-lawlar-691783

Was Lawlar considered the clearly better player over Colton Cowser in last year’s draft? With MLB first round draft picks there are players considered as a sure thing that never even play in an MLB game. 

[NelsonCruuuuuz]

1 minute ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

Was Lawlar considered the clearly better player over Colton Cowser in last year’s draft? With MLB first round draft picks there are players considered as a sure thing that never even play in an MLB game. 

YES!!!!! Everyone. National articles were written semi-laughing at Os for skipping on Lawlar and reports from Arizona were that they were in disbelief we didn’t take Lawlar.

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

Just now, NelsonCruuuuuz said:

YES!!!!! Everyone. National articles were written semi-laughing at Os for skipping on Lawlar and reports from Arizona were that they were in disbelief we didn’t take Lawlar.

I looked up one 2021 draft prospect list and it had Lawlar ranked 3rd and Cowser 7th. I hope Elias underslot draft strategy works out when he could have just gone with BPA. 

[NelsonCruuuuuz]

1 minute ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

I looked up one 2021 draft prospect list and it had Lawlar ranked 3rd and Cowser 7th. I hope Elias underslot draft strategy works out when he could have just gone with BPA. 

Spoiler: it isn’t working. This is my main beef with him. He just seems stubborn to adjust his strategy. Frustrating. 

[Bahama O's Fan]

While I love Adley, I would have taken Witt. Infielders usually last longer than catchers and if Adley moves to 1B halfway through his career, he loses all that defensive value

[yark14]

We are neither sellers or buyers: we are stealers.  Elias will continue to heavily poach other teams' DFA's and the Rule 5 draft. 

[NelsonCruuuuuz]

51 minutes ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

I looked up one 2021 draft prospect list and it had Lawlar ranked 3rd and Cowser 7th. I hope Elias underslot draft strategy works out when he could have just gone with BPA. 

Also wanted to add, look at the mocks for this year. The write up for the Os frequently is comical saying we are unpredictable bc of underslot strategy or hard to forecast org. It’s like our org is the crazy uncle of baseball, logic & bpa be damned. Just take the bpa and stop with the games. They didn’t even really use the underslot savings last year, did they?
 

[linedrive]

On 6/1/2022 at 9:48 AM, vab said:

I think the only way Lyles will get moved is if they feel Harvey can fill the innings-eating veteran role. That's probably more important than taking a flyer or two on some marginal prospects which is all Lyles would bring back in a deal anyway. 

If Elias can get some value for Lyles, he'll be traded.  But right now I don't see that happening. He needs to string together some good starts. He's probably more valuable to us than he is to any other team. We don't need anymore 'marginal prospects'.

[jabba72]

On 6/2/2022 at 9:06 PM, linedrive said:

If Elias can get some value for Lyles, he'll be traded.  But right now I don't see that happening. He needs to string together some good starts. He's probably more valuable to us than he is to any other team. We don't need anymore 'marginal prospects'.

This is how I feel. We need talent. The tradeable guys on our team have it.

Marginal prospects are useless. As the 2018 firesale showed.