Who are the 2022 #3 and #4 prospects?

[Tony-OH]

Who are the 2022 #3 and #4 prospects?

[btdart20]

Grayson at 2 over Holliday at 3 for proximity gap and range of outcomes.  
I’ve compared Grayson to Clemens and that still feels like a good comp.  I’ve got big (unreasonable ) expectations for him but I really think he’s got that type of talent.

Any one of our top 3 guys could be #1 in many systems.

[Sports Guy]

I took Holliday and Hall but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was GRod and Hall.

[LookinUp]

This is the easiest vote. Holliday and Hall.

[Aristotelian]

I had Hall in the last batch. I really thought he should slip, but I don't think he should slip out of the top 10. Basallo taking such a leap also seems wrong. I think Hall has to be #4. 

I can't imagine Gunnar lower than 2. I could see Tony surprising us with Holliday at 2 if the scouts are bullish, but I am going with Holliday-Hall. 

[ChosenOne21]

Dropping Rodriguez to 3 would be absolutely nuts, IMO. People are dinging him way too much for a non-throwing arm injury that caused him to miss two months and not being quite as sharp when he came back. No reason to believe that is a long-term issue.

#1 and #2 have to be Henderson and GRod. Henderson has done nothing to drop him as low as #3, and Basallo is good, but not #4 in a loaded system good. I'd be shocked if #3 wasn't Holliday and I have a hard time putting Hall all the way down at #11. It pretty much has to be Holliday and Hall.

Edited November 16, 2022 by ChosenOne21

[RZNJ]

29 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

I took Holliday and Hall but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was GRod and Hall.

This is where I'm at.  I thought this was a slam dunk but Rodriguez/Hall is possible. 

[Sports Guy]

21 minutes ago, ChosenOne21 said:

Dropping Rodriguez to 3 would be absolutely nuts, IMO. People are dinging him way too much for a non-throwing arm injury that caused him to miss two months and not being quite as sharp when he came back. No reason to believe that is a long-term issue.

#1 and #2 have to be Henderson and GRod. Henderson has done nothing to drop him as low as #3, and Basallo is good, but not #4 in a loaded system good. I'd be shocked if #3 wasn't Holliday and I have a hard time putting Hall all the way down at #11. It pretty much has to be Holliday and Hall.

Too often people take things like this as a ding on another player when it fact it’s just liking the other player a little more. 
 

If you believe Holliday is a 7 WAR SS and GRod is a 6 WAR starting pitcher, it doesn’t mean you think GRod isn’t good. It just means you think Holliday is that good.

The Os could have 3 top 10 prospects. It likely won’t be ranked that way but it’s not some crazy thought.

[RZNJ]

Holidays initial numbers in the system suggest he’ll be our #1 guy by the end of the year and a top 10 prospect in all of baseball BUT I think it’s too soon to put him higher than #3.  

[Sports Guy]

4 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

Holidays initial numbers in the system suggest he’ll be our #1 guy by the end of the year and a top 10 prospect in all of baseball BUT I think it’s too soon to put him higher than #3.  

He’ll by #2 by mid April or so and #1 by June.

[Three Run Homer]

I'm sticking with Basallo until the bitter end.   (Well, not until the end--I won't vote for him at #1 or #2).    

[ChosenOne21]

9 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Too often people take things like this as a ding on another player when it fact it’s just liking the other player a little more. 
 

If you believe Holliday is a 7 WAR SS and GRod is a 6 WAR starting pitcher, it doesn’t mean you think GRod isn’t good. It just means you think Holliday is that good.

The Os could have 3 top 10 prospects. It likely won’t be ranked that way but it’s not some crazy thought.

Sure, someone could believe Holliday is a 7 win SS and Rodriguez is a 6 win pitcher. But that's nearly pure speculation about Holliday (he'll almost certainly be good, but projecting 7 wins for a guy who barely got his feet wet in low A and didn't dominate is quite a hot take), whereas with Rodriguez we have years of data and he's producing in AAA. I think you have to value that increased certainty more than an (albeit good) lottery ticket.

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, ChosenOne21 said:

Sure, someone could believe Holliday is a 7 win SS and Rodriguez is a 6 win pitcher. But that's nearly pure speculation about Holliday (he'll almost certainly be good, but projecting 7 wins for a guy who barely got his feet wet in low A and didn't dominate is quite a hot take), whereas with Rodriguez we have years of data and he's producing in AAA. I think you have to value that increased certainty more than an (albeit good) lottery ticket.

I'd rate a 6 win bird in the hand over a 7 win bird in the bush.

[foxfield]

1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

I'd rate a 6 win bird in the hand over a 7 win bird in the bush.

This option isn’t available. 

[Sports Guy]

3 minutes ago, ChosenOne21 said:

Sure, someone could believe Holliday is a 7 win SS and Rodriguez is a 6 win pitcher. But that's nearly pure speculation about Holliday (he'll almost certainly be good, but projecting 7 wins for a guy who barely got his feet wet in low A and didn't dominate is quite a hot take), whereas with Rodriguez we have years of data and he's producing in AAA. I think you have to value that increased certainty more than an (albeit good) lottery ticket.

That’s fine…but if that is your belief, that’s not dinging GRod.  It’s not putting him down or anything like that. It’s simply a belief in the talent of Holliday being higher than GRod’s talent.

Coming out of HS, Holliday is clearly the better talent.

Its all about projection.