Jorge Mateo 2023

[Three Run Homer]

18 hours ago, baltfan said:

Why are you so confident that Westburg is better than Ortiz?  Why wouldn’t you give the better defender and guy who is up a shot first?

I agree that Ortiz is a better defender, but I think Westburg would be fine at 2B or 3B defensively, and Westburg has a better track record offensively than Ortiz, especially when it comes to power.  Small sample or not, we can't ignore the fact that Ortiz has not hit in his time in Baltimore, and in particular he has not been driving the ball.  I believe that Westburg has better power and a better chance to have his offensive skills translate to the major league level right away than Ortiz.  

To be clear, though, the most important thing is getting Mateo out of the lineup and giving one of our young players a chance--if they want Ortiz to have the first shot, so be it.  

[Frobby]

8 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

I don’t disagree with you but all of this assumes he had trade value in the offseason.

For all we know, they may have shopped Mateo and/or Urias extensively and not gotten any satisfactory nibbles.   Or not.  

[Sports Guy]

7 minutes ago, Frobby said:

For all we know, they may have shopped Mateo and/or Urias extensively and not gotten any satisfactory nibbles.   Or not.  

Yea, it’s obviously tough to say. They clearly value them highly or else the kids would be up and getting everyday at bats.

So, they may have had offers  but maybe good enough for “us” but not “them” and, of course, our opinions don’t matter.

Edited June 21, 2023 by Sports Guy

[banks703]

I truly do feel for Jorge. He's probably my second favorite player on the roster behind Hays but man, I can't see how they believe that they can seriously contend with the hole that he is in their lineup right now. 

 

If I'm making dinner or doing something else around the house and he comes up to bat, I use his AB to do whatever it is that I need to get done because I have zero confidence in him at the plate right now and he seems to be getting worse. The Ks are really beginning to pile up on him. If he was at least competing in some of his ABs I could see why they'd stick with him but I'm just not seeing it. I wonder if they're just conceding his spot in the order right now on account of his defense and just hoping that he'll go on another run like he had in April. I am just not seeing how the potential outweighs the product. 

 

 

[deward]

8 hours ago, Bemorewins said:

The question for me is not whether Ortiz is a better hitter than Mateo, but is he a better player to play than Urias? 

I think the consensus amongst O's fans is that Mateo's days are (rightfully so) numbered as a starter. But would the team be better served to put Gunnar at SS for the remainder of the year and Urias at 3B (where he is the reigning GG winner)? I'm not certain that that is not the best thing for the team to do. Because I am not sure that Ortiz is a better offensive player than Urias.

 

This may be the consensus among fans, but I haven't seen anything yet to indicate that the front office is in agreement.

[Bemorewins]

1 minute ago, deward said:

This may be the consensus among fans, but I haven't seen anything yet to indicate that the front office is in agreement.

You will find no argument here from me. Especially when they keep running him out there for 0-3/0-4 day after day. I know that they love his speed and athleticism, but the man just can’t hit good enough for that to matter all that much. 

I suspect that his leash won’t last past the end of June. At that point it will mark 2 full months of complete suckiness. 

I think that our offense could come close to matching the Rays with a full healthy Mullins and the removal of at least one of Mateo/Frazier and replacing them within just a league average offensive player.

The problem is the pitching, their’s is still much better.

[Frobby]

14 hours ago, deward said:

This may be the consensus among fans, but I haven't seen anything yet to indicate that the front office is in agreement.

Front offices are almost always slower to make changes than fans want.  But they do make them.  

I think there are sound institutional reasons why teams are more deliberate than many fans would like.  They don’t want players looking over their shoulders every time they have a bad week or two.  And, I think teams find some value in continuity, especially when the team is winning.   

That said, these factors can only carry things so far.  I think Mateo has to be on a very short leash at this point.  

 

[InsideCoroner]

In his last 42 games:  21-for-133, 13 runs, 0 homers, 40 Ks, .158 average, .375 OPS. 
Just one walk in his last 22 games.

[sportsfan8703]

3 minutes ago, InsideCoroner said:

In his last 42 games:  21-for-133, 13 runs, 0 homers, 40 Ks, .158 average, .375 OPS. 
Just one walk in his last 22 games.

Wow. How much of this could be the injury he had and the club knows this?  Keep in mind that during this 42 game stretch we also had injuries to Urias, Gunnar, and Ortiz. All of which have given him more rope. 

[HelenaEngineer]

3 hours ago, InsideCoroner said:

In his last 42 games:  21-for-133, 13 runs, 0 homers, 40 Ks, .158 average, .375 OPS. 
Just one walk in his last 22 games.

Is there an easy way to get RHP/LHP splits by month - or for a range of games. I can easily get righty/lefty season splits and easily get stats broken down by a time period, but I don't see an easy way without plowing through game logs to combine splits and schedule windows.
 

I am curious because for the year Mateo is hitting .306 vs lefties and hitting .180 vs righties. He also hit .347 in March/April and has hit .158 since then, as you mention. The monthly splits are vs both righties and lefties.

Given that, I don't see any way that his splits vs righties in May/June aren't absolutely horrific, since they were likely pretty good in March/April. They would likely have to be along the lines of a pitcher stat line in the NL before they went to the DH. Playing him at SS vs righties for the last two months has probably been about the equivalent of not having a DH in the lineup.

[interloper]

I'm pretty much ready to move on now. 

[btdart20]

54 minutes ago, HelenaEngineer said:

Is there an easy way to get RHP/LHP splits by month - or for a range of games. I can easily get righty/lefty season splits and easily get stats broken down by a time period, but I don't see an easy way without plowing through game logs to combine splits and schedule windows.
 

I am curious because for the year Mateo is hitting .306 vs lefties and hitting .180 vs righties. He also hit .347 in March/April and has hit .158 since then, as you mention. The monthly splits are vs both righties and lefties.

Given that, I don't see any way that his splits vs righties in May/June aren't absolutely horrific, since they were likely pretty good in March/April. They would likely have to be along the lines of a pitcher stat line in the NL before they went to the DH. Playing him at SS vs righties for the last two months has probably been about the equivalent of not having a DH in the lineup.

Jorge Mateo Statcast, Visuals & Advanced Metrics | MLB.com | baseballsavant.com

Under the Statcast batting stats, there's a Pitch % by Season.  Under that there's a few drop down options.  Pitches can be changed to All Pitches.  Season can be changed to month.  And Handedness can be changed to Left.  His BA vs. LHP has gone from .364, .148, .500 in April, May, and June respectively.

[clapdiddy]

I truly wish they'd just give Ortiz a week straight of playing time right now at SS.   See what he can do.  he can't possibly hit worse than Mateo has over the last 2 months.

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

5 hours ago, InsideCoroner said:

In his last 42 games:  21-for-133, 13 runs, 0 homers, 40 Ks, .158 average, .375 OPS. 
Just one walk in his last 22 games.

So is anyone on Sig's team noticing this or are they going to keep playing Mateo nearly every game? Make Mateo a utility player, defensive specialist and pinch runner now.

This habit of sticking with veteran players is maddening given numerous options the Orioles have with their infield depth.

[HelenaEngineer]

27 minutes ago, btdart20 said:

Jorge Mateo Statcast, Visuals & Advanced Metrics | MLB.com | baseballsavant.com

Under the Statcast batting stats, there's a Pitch % by Season.  Under that there's a few drop down options.  Pitches can be changed to All Pitches.  Season can be changed to month.  And Handedness can be changed to Left.  His BA vs. LHP has gone from .364, .148, .500 in April, May, and June respectively.

OK - great. That is perfect. So Mateo is 11-94, hitting at a .117 clip vs righties, in May and June.

So why not play Ortiz at SS vs RHP with Frazier or Ortiz at 2B and then play Mateo vs LHP at SS and Ortiz or Urias at 2B. Batting .117 over 94 ABs is more than a slump.