This triple by Gunnar

[Hallas]

2 hours ago, Frobby said:

It may have been scored a triple for technical reasons, but what a stupid, lazy play by Arozarena.   I’m glad Gunnar made him pay for it.  

Arozarena definitely lollygagged there, but it was also on the infielders.  There was no one on 3rd to field the throw and Glasnow got there way too late.

Edited July 21, 2023 by Hallas

[Filmstudy]

8 minutes ago, owknows said:

Sometimes its ok just to take a comment in the spirit in which it was intended

I'm not putting down Roy for saying it, just expressing my own desire to forget about Rose.

[Frobby]

3 minutes ago, Filmstudy said:

I'm not putting down Roy for saying it, just expressing my own desire to forget about Rose.

I enjoyed beating him in the 1970 and 1983 World Series.  I’m happy to remember that.  

[doccat]

A good throw holds him to 2nd base.  The lousy throw (the airmail soft lob toss) cost them 3rd base- can't you argue the extra base resulted from the poor throw and award an error on the throw?  I'm happy he got a triple, but I'd score it a double and E on the throw....

[emmett16]

Gunnar is responsible for Arrozarena’s 4ks.  

[Malike]

2 hours ago, Frobby said:

I didn’t see either one play in the minors.  Statistically, Gunnar was way more error prone at SS than Holliday is.  Holliday is a .968 fielder at SS so far.  Gunnar was at .893 in rookie ball and then .927 in his first year of full-season ball.   Gunnar’s range numbers were better, keeping in mind that Range Factor is influenced by a number of factors outside of the fielders control.   Gunnar got better every year defensively, and is still getting better.  I’d like to see Holliday get that same opportunity to show improvement.  I certainly doubt he can match Gunnar’s arm.

Gunnar's arm rates higher but his fielding rates lower. Holliday is rated currently as a 55 fielder with a 55 arm. Gunnar a 50 fielder with a 65 arm, he has a cannon, but much like a cannon he frequently misses the mark. They have a remarkably close scouting profile, it's a gain for us if they both live up to their potential.

[Malike]

2 hours ago, Hallas said:

Arozarena definitely lollygagged there, but it was also on the infielders.  There was no one on 3rd to field the throw and Glasnow got there way too late.

Sort of reminded me of Elly stealing home, the pitcher was staring into the outfield and he walked 3/4's of the way there before anyone knew what was going on.

[glenn__davis]

Yeah I'd have scored that an error. Also would have given Mullins an error on the similar play on the 4th of July.

[glenn__davis]

9 hours ago, Billy F-Face3 said:

I'm just amused because of how many people there were bemoaning and complaining to send him down back in April.

I think that was like 2 people. 

[DrungoHazewood]

1 hour ago, glenn__davis said:

Yeah I'd have scored that an error. Also would have given Mullins an error on the similar play on the 4th of July.

Errors are not usually given on plays that could be described as "he should have been smarter".

If you take a crazy, circuitous route to a fly ball and it lands 10 feet behind you it's a hit. If you run straight to where the ball is going to land and just miss it, error.

If you skip on the easy play at first, miss the out, and try to get the guy coming home from third even though you have no shot... fielder's choice. Not an error.

If you're the third baseman and you're staring off into space standing 40 feet from the bag while the runner takes off from second, it's not an error.

Errors are one of those things that kinda made sense when they were trying to figure out how the game and scorekeeping was going to work in 1875, and they never bothered to fix or update anything. The solution is leaving the old metrics alone because there's no real drive to mess with continuity of records, but add on things like Statcast that better describe the situation. Now we can say things like the Rays just gave up a base on a play where the guy stays at second 98% of the time, and the run impact of that base in that base-out situation is X.

[Mooreisbetter27]

1 hour ago, glenn__davis said:

I think that was like 2 people. 

Yeah.. one particularly loud one that I haven't seen mention his name in a month and a half or so.  

[DrungoHazewood]

10 hours ago, Billy F-Face3 said:

I'm just amused because of how many people there were bemoaning and complaining to send him down back in April.

There are always those people. The ones who can't believe that Cowser hasn't been sent back to Norfolk. The guy who I sat next to at a game years ago who couldn't fathom that the GM hadn't been fired for having Caleb Joseph on the team after he started his career 1-for-25. 100% guarantee there were some people who'd written off Cal after he OPS'd .320 in his first 41 games, but luckily they didn't have the internet to forever preserve their unfiltered rantings.

[Sports Guy]

[Sports Guy]

There is some refinement in Gunnar’s game that is needed..better vs lefties, throws can be inaccurate at times…but man, when he really puts all of this together, he has top 10 player in the league capabilities.

He, not Adley, should be the extension priority (although you would like both).

Just wonder if he will sign one. Just give me 8 or 9 years. Still plenty of time to sign a mega deal after that.

[Frobby]

26 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

He, not Adley, should be the extension priority (although you would like both).

I’d be thrilled if we got either one of them extended.   

Watching Gunnar as this season goes along is a little like watching Audrey II in Little Shop of Horrors.   FEED ME!!!