Why Kyle Gibson might be resigned

[RZNJ]

192 innings.    He’s not great but he wasn’t bad and he provided what they wanted and needed.    On a staff where the top 3 is probably Bradish, GRod, and Means,  he still slots in along with Kremer for a stable 4-5.    This would allow Irvin to be a long man and keep Wells and Hall in the pen.   It also requires no prospects and a short term financial commitment.   I know everyone wants that #1 or #2 starter but I don’t see it happening.   We would still be going into next season with a stronger rotation than 2022 considering GRod being over his growing pains and Means being available from the start.   This still allows for an in season acquisition (not that I would get my hopes up).   
 

 

[Spy Fox]

I'm thankful for those 192 innings and veteran leadership from Gibson this year. 

But, I don't think we need to go this route for next year. Even if they don't acquire a higher shelf SP, we can replace those innings with better pitchers just using our internal options and acquiring a couple relievers. I think Elias will agree. 

[oriole]

Hell no, they should be adding towards the top of the rotation, not the bottom. Kremer should be rotation depth, not Irvin. 
 

2 front line starters are necessary IMO. Every single team in the East will take a step forward, now is not the time to get complacent just because the big spenders had down years and the O’s lucked out on avoiding major injuries for the most part. 

[7Mo]

192 innings certainly has value. But that's spending roughly $10M to tell Irvin, Wells and DL Hall that they're likely in the bullpen, where they don't want to be. 

I think they bring in a guy for significantly less than $10M who they think they can fix who could start, but without the commitment so there's a fair competition between that signee and the 3 above. 

[emmett16]

I wouldn’t be surprised  to see Gibson resigned. 

Edited October 16, 2023 by emmett16

[EricK]

22 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

192 innings.    He’s not great but he wasn’t bad and he provided what they wanted and needed.    On a staff where the top 3 is probably Bradish, GRod, and Means,  he still slots in along with Kremer for a stable 4-5.    This would allow Irvin to be a long man and keep Wells and Hall in the pen.   It also requires no prospects and a short term financial commitment.   I know everyone wants that #1 or #2 starter but I don’t see it happening.   We would still be going into next season with a stronger rotation than 2022 considering GRod being over his growing pains and Means being available from the start.   This still allows for an in season acquisition (not that I would get my hopes up).   
 

 

If it is another one-year deal at $10M (or a little more), I'd do it.  I think we'll be risk averse as to long-term deals, especially for pitchers.

[O's84]

I hate John Angelos.

[drjohnnyfever1]

I can't understand why some seem so willing to jettison some of these guys either by trade or alternate desires via FA.  Kyle was a valuable piece and getting him back for a period that would amount to an arbitration escalation in pay would be reasonable to me.  I have a hard time seeing how he's not worth that.

[Can_of_corn]

3 minutes ago, drjohnnyfever1 said:

I can't understand why some seem so willing to jettison some of these guys either by trade or alternate desires via FA.  Kyle was a valuable piece and getting him back for a period that would amount to an arbitration escalation in pay would be reasonable to me.  I have a hard time seeing how he's not worth that.

Because some of us don't think he can repeat that level of performance.

He wasn't exactly good this year, he was alright and he did throw a nice amount of innings but if he slips even a little he's a 5+ ERA guy that pulls the team down.

[Bemorewins]

He does nothing to help us in October and will be a year older. At some point we are actually going to have to sign good players if we want to win a World Series or at least make a deep run.

[wildcard]

26 minutes ago, 7Mo said:

192 innings certainly has value. But that's spending roughly $10M to tell Irvin, Wells and DL Hall that they're likely in the bullpen, where they don't want to be. 

I think they bring in a guy for significantly less than $10M who they think they can fix who could start, but without the commitment so there's a fair competition between that signee and the 3 above. 

I agree with this.  Some of us value starters on what they have done.    I don't think that is what Elias/Sig/Holt do.   The evaluate pitcher's stuff and how they think they can add, subtract or improve pitches to make pitcher better. 

It could be a FA or a trade that they think they can acquire for reasonable salary but I think it would be someone we don't expect.

[24fps]

17 minutes ago, drjohnnyfever1 said:

I can't understand why some seem so willing to jettison some of these guys either by trade or alternate desires via FA.  Kyle was a valuable piece and getting him back for a period that would amount to an arbitration escalation in pay would be reasonable to me.  I have a hard time seeing how he's not worth that.

I'm a big fan of what Gibson gave the O's in 2023, but the players put John Angelos on notice that it's time for him to make his contribution to the team's continual improvement.  Is that a guarantee of anything?  Of course not, but even in a continued state of neglect by ownership, I think that there are going to be better options available, either by trade or in FA, that will be affordable.  Personally, I think there will be a bump of at least $20 million in payroll for 2024.  It ought to be $40-50 million.

[wildcard]

7 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:

He does nothing to help us in October and will be a year older. At some point we are actually going to have to sign good players if we want to win a World Series or at least make a deep run.

The O's have five strong starters now.   Bradish and GRod probably improve next season.  Means, if things go right, will return to what he was but be better because he has a better team supporting him.   Kremer IMO is pretty close to his ceiling but that is really very good when I look as his last 5 month of the regular season.

Wells is very good for 100+ innings.   What Holt and company need to do is make that 100+ inning at the end of he season instead of the beginning.

And I think they will add someone that can start.

[Sports Guy]

He did fit well in this clubhouse but I’d be shocked if they went this route…and very disappointed.

[foxfield]

3 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

He did fit well in this clubhouse but I’d be shocked if they went this route…and very disappointed.

If he is the sole addition I would agree, but I am not opposed to bringing him back for depth and security.