At MLBTR Contract Numbers. Choose One

[Roll Tide]

9 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

For a team like the Orioles who are 150M under the luxury tax threshold does it make a difference?

Yes …it’s 20 million that they may get no vale out of and I bet I know what Angelos wants to do with that 20 million

[Roll Tide]

16 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

So you throw our ERods injury season but don’t account for an injury for Stroman?  What sense does that make?

Admittingly Stroman has been held back the last few years by injuries but he has been pretty durable for most of his career, much more so than ERod.

And saying I love Stroman is just a dumb thing to say. The poll is asking of the 3, who would you sign. Ultimately, I’m not sure I sign any of these guys even though I do think Gray is a good target and would be ok with Stroman on a 2 year deal. 
 

I have become more and more intrigued about Cease mainly because if the Os can fix him, i think he can be an actual difference maker in the playoffs. I don’t think any of these guys would be.

I looked for consistency in the innings pitched. Obviously you could get more or a lot less. So I’m fine saying you could get 150. Since he did 130 the last 2 years it seems like a pattern, no?

I only said you love him because you’ve been mentioning him for years. I’d take Gray if I could get Angelos to pony up the dough, which I believe is debatable. 
 

I’m not willing to pay for a ransom for a guy that I have to fix. That skill should benefit the Orioles, not the White Sox. If they are reasonable I think a deal can get done. If they want to loot our top 10 forget it.

Edited November 11, 2023 by Roll Tide

[RZNJ]

12 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

Yes …it’s 20 million that they may get no vale out of and I bet I know what Angelos wants to do with that 20 million

I think you lost me.

[Roll Tide]

26 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

For a team like the Orioles who are 150M under the luxury tax threshold does it make a difference?

Angelos doesn’t have any interest in being anywhere near the threshold so it really doesn’t matter. He’d prefer to take that $20 million and have it disappear. The ability to do so runs out when Peter passes so the clock is ticking. The sale forces them to sell and the. He won’t have to worry about money. Ill believe a front ebbed deal when I see it.

Edited November 11, 2023 by Roll Tide

[Roll Tide]

4 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

I think you lost me.

What has John Angelos done that gives you any indication that he wants to over pay by 20 million in the first 2 years over him extracting it from the finances and putting it in the ownership groups pockets?

[RZNJ]

3 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

What has John Angelos done that gives you any indication that he wants to over pay by 20 million in the first 2 years over him extracting it from the finances and putting it in the ownership groups pockets?

I wasn’t talking about the contract from an Orioles perspective.  I was talking about what I would do if I was Sonny Gray responding to the poster saying Gray might be looking for a short term contract.

[Roll Tide]

4 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

I wasn’t talking about the contract from an Orioles perspective.  I was talking about what I would do if I was Sonny Gray responding to the poster saying Gray might be looking for a short term contract.

Got ya …. But, I think the Orioles would prefer the money spread out. If I’m Gray I’d take your deal and retire after 2.

[emmett16]

If Gray has thrown out retirement talk then that’s a red flag for me.  Not what I’d like to hear from a guy I’m about to pay handsomely.  

[MarCakes21]

I know this is about the 3 FA pitchers, but it's also about extracting value of these guys to say which has the most value.

I see Cease's name also mentioned.  Why not try to align with the M's for one of their pitchers In a ready prospect for ready prospect deal.  Miller/Woo/Kirby/Gilbert/Hancock vs. Ortiz/Westburg/Cowser/Kjerstad/Mayo.  Make it work.  Then you don't have to worry about paying one of these guys, if we'll open the check book, you get the value back in the arb years and you don't have to worry about how you squeeze your prospects in playing time.

[Billy F-Face3]

I like Sonny Gray the best as a overall starring pitcher, but I also like the fact thar Eduardo Rodriguez is left handed and this contract proposed costs less. So, I might give the Rodriguez contract the edge.

Might be a little weird having 2 starting pitchers named Rodriguez though.

[Three Run Homer]

On 11/10/2023 at 11:37 AM, RZNJ said:

These three seem like the shopping aisle Mike Elias is probably shopping down.  Pick one and feel free to post your reasoning.

I voted for ERod, but I'd be satisfied with any of these signings.  I hope that MLBTR is right about these projections and I hope that you are right that this is Mike Elias' shopping aisle.  Any of these would easily qualify as a top-half of the rotation starter.

My fear is that Elias' cart inevitably veers into the bargain bin and we wind up with another Dean Kremer type.  

[Jagwar]

On 11/10/2023 at 12:05 PM, Moose Milligan said:

Gray since I think he's the best pitcher of the group.  At this stage in the game, I don't care about losing a draft pick.

If the O's are going to continue to pinch pennies, that draft pick is really valuable, yes?

[Moose Milligan]

18 minutes ago, Jagwar said:

If the O's are going to continue to pinch pennies, that draft pick is really valuable, yes?

Later first round pick? Maybe, I dunno. 

[Can_of_corn]

6 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Later first round pick? Maybe, I dunno. 

When I mentioned how having a draft pick attached to him would lower Santander's value and increase the chances of him accepting a QO I was told it wasn't a big deal.

[Jagwar]

26 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Later first round pick? Maybe, I dunno. 

Gunnar was a second rounder...