Means behind schedule and won't be ready by opening day

[waroriole]

1 hour ago, Frobby said:

I gave you a courtesy up vote, so now you’re even!

On the substance, I’m in agreement with wildcard.  Means hasn’t had any offseason setbacks that we know of, the O’s just chose to put him on a slightly delayed ramp-up schedule to be cautious.   I’m expecting him on the team by end of April.  

We don’t know of anything that Elias isn’t specifically telling us. We only know he had to be shut down in the playoffs after only 4 starts all season. And he wasn’t able to start his throwing program. Expecting him to be ready in April is pretty foolish. 

[byrdz]

Sounds like an accidental downvote. Providing a screenshot of my upvote. If I wanted to remove it I could just click on the tiny “x” in the bottom right hand corner of the post. 

 

Edited February 18 by byrdz

[Frobby]

17 minutes ago, wildcard said:

On my screen it shows not vote at all.   I don't even know how to vote.  Never use the function.

 

[wildcard]

12 minutes ago, byrdz said:

Sounds like an accidental downvote. Providing a screenshot of my upvote. If I wanted to remove it I could just click on the tiny “x” in the bottom right hand corner of the post. 

 

Since I don't use the function I don't know anything about it.   There are three votes.  And I don't see where it says who made them.   How do you know it was me?

[Frobby]

5 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Since I don't use the function I don't know anything about it.   There are three votes.  And I don't see where it says who made them.   How do you know it was me?

In the original post, you click on that vote and it shows who made it.  

Anyway, you’ve said you didn’t downvote JimsKid26 intentionally, so that’s all that really matters.   
 

[Oriole1940]

2 hours ago, RZNJ said:

The 1948 Boston Braves were “Spahn and Sain and pray for rain”

 

The popular saying -- “Spahn and Sain and pray for rain” -- came from a poem written by Boston Post sports editor Gerald Hern that reflected the state of Boston’s starting pitching.

Spahn and Sain were dominant -- especially during the pennant stretch -- and the rest of the rotation was unheralded.

Thanks for the info. I remembered it as either Boston or the Giants.  Sorry, I got it wrong.  I had no TV then, only 2 days a week a game was available,  I usually did not care for anyway.  And if I cared for it,  pic was so snowy unless it was a night game, it was not  worth the  effort.   Times have changed.

[Jim'sKid26]

1 hour ago, wildcard said:

Since I don't use the function I don't know anything about it.   There are three votes.  And I don't see where it says who made them.   How do you know it was me?

It's all good, no offense taken. Peace.

[Tony-OH]

On 2/16/2024 at 5:38 PM, jabba72 said:

Thanks. I've heard of Armbruester but didnt see him on Tony's top 30 list, so I figured he's isnt on par with Povich and McDermott.

He's not on par with those two, not even close in my opinion. He's more on par with guys like Mike Wright or Travis Lakins.

[Tony-OH]

Means has pitched 31.2 innings since 2021 and has never pitched more tan 155 innings in a season. Perhaps this delay is actually good for him and the Orioles. We also know Wells has been good as a starter for half a season and Irvin actually pitched pretty well after a terrible April that saw him banished to Norfolk quickly.

So I'm not too concerned about "losing" Means for a month  because he was a bit of a wildcard anyways due to his continual injury problems.

The issue now comes in the pen where they are really short, especially at the impact reliever role. Wells was hopefully going to help with some of that and now he needs to be in the pen.

I don't know if McDermott or Povich's command are good enough yet, but both have major league stuff that might be useful out of the pen. I'd still rather see them both be developed as starter's in Norfolk more, but this is about winning now and if they can do so, I'd give them looks this spring.

Saying all that, I'd really like to see them get another starter or somehow get a guy who has the potential to be an impact high leverage reliever. 

The pen is the team's weak point at this stage of the season.

[clapdiddy]

34 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

Means has pitched 31.2 innings since 2021 and has never pitched more tan 155 innings in a season. Perhaps this delay is actually good for him and the Orioles. We also know Wells has been good as a starter for half a season and Irvin actually pitched pretty well after a terrible April that saw him banished to Norfolk quickly.

So I'm not too concerned about "losing" Means for a month  because he was a bit of a wildcard anyways due to his continual injury problems.

The issue now comes in the pen where they are really short, especially at the impact reliever role. Wells was hopefully going to help with some of that and now he needs to be in the pen.

I don't know if McDermott or Povich's command are good enough yet, but both have major league stuff that might be useful out of the pen. I'd still rather see them both be developed as starter's in Norfolk more, but this is about winning now and if they can do so, I'd give them looks this spring.

Saying all that, I'd really like to see them get another starter or somehow get a guy who has the potential to be an impact high leverage reliever. 

The pen is the team's weak point at this stage of the season.

I'd leave Wells in the bullpen and let Irvin be the 5th starter.   This is, of course, assuming another starter is acquired.

[interloper]

6 minutes ago, clapdiddy said:

I'd leave Wells in the bullpen and let Irvin be the 5th starter.   This is, of course, assuming another starter is acquired.

This.

[Frobby]

54 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

He's not on par with those two, not even close in my opinion. He's more on par with guys like Mike Wright or Travis Lakins.

He strikes me more as a Tyler Wilson than a Mike Wright, if we’re going with pitchers from that era.  The guy who reminds me of Wright is Baumann.  

[sportsfan8703]

22 hours ago, RZNJ said:

Sure would be nice to know the actual diagnosis back in October.   Is “tight elbow” a medical term?   At no time was it reported that 3 months of rest was advised.   Seems kind of fishy which is why I’m not holding my breath on Means’ return.

Has Means still been shut down since October?

[RZNJ]

37 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Has Means still been shut down since October?

He’s not shut down now.  The elbow flared up in October and delayed his off season throwing program and now he’s a month behind.   Bradish started his throwing in January.  I just did the math.

[Tony-OH]

1 hour ago, Frobby said:

He strikes me more as a Tyler Wilson than a Mike Wright, if we’re going with pitchers from that era.  The guy who reminds me of Wright is Baumann.  

Nah, Wilson was a high 80s, low 90s guy who work off pitchability. Armbruester is a lot more like Wright in that he's a fastball, slider guy who can get it into the mid-90s but has no real outpitch against lefties and no consistent swing and miss pitch.