Is Matt Wieters >Adley?

[bub668]

Never thought I would consider this.

[Moose Milligan]

Just stop it. 

[Sports Guy]

This ridiculous question was asked recently on here.  It’s not close.  Adley has already been worth almost as much as Wieters was in his whole career.

[TomDominick]

Results v. Expectations about the same...disappointing.

[glenn__davis]

Right now Geronimo Gil is better than Adley.  But I'm not gonna kick Adley while he's down.  Let him get a reset, work on some things in the offseason, and hope that this 2nd half ends up being just an aberration in a good career.

[Sports Guy]

I do feel like Adley is out of shape or at least has gotten more out of shape than usual. That’s part of the reason I think he’s hurt…not working out as much.

If he is healthy and the slump is this bad, I’m ok questioning whether or not the new GF(ie the distraction) is part of it. Is he putting everything into the game that he should?  

[Bemorewins]

Adley has been in a horrible almost 4 month slump. Before that, he was the WAY BETTER offensive player.

But I pose this question: What does it matter if Rutschman turns out to be worse than Wieters?

Matt Wieters was drafted almost TWENTY YEARS AGO. No one in this org had anything to do with him being on our roster. HEck none of our current front office was even here for his entire Orioles' career.

[JR Oriole]

Wieters' bWAR was 13.3 through his first 4 seasons (2009 - 2012).  It ended at 18.3 after his last season in 2020, so he was basically ineffective for the last 8 years of his career. Adley's bWAR is 13.1 through his first 3 seasons.

So it isn't like Wieters didn't have a strong start to his career just like Adley did.  I think the concern that folks have is that the rest of Adley's career will play out like the rest of Wieters' career.  It seemed very unlikely halfway through this year, but this has been one hell of a drop-off.  

And after Wieters never lived up to expectations, it is definitely a fear that we may be reliving this again.  Let's hope this second half was just an aberration. 

 

[Spy Fox]

Here's what people thought a couple weeks ago. 

 

[Roll Tide]

1 hour ago, bub668 said:

Never thought I would consider this.

Adley is having a down year. I believe he will bounce back.

[Sports Guy]

10 minutes ago, JR Oriole said:

Wieters' bWAR was 13.3 through his first 4 seasons (2009 - 2012).  It ended at 18.3 after his last season in 2020, so he was basically ineffective for the last 8 years of his career. Adley's bWAR is 13.1 through his first 3 seasons.

So it isn't like Wieters didn't have a strong start to his career just like Adley did.  I think the concern that folks have is that the rest of Adley's career will play out like the rest of Wieters' career.  It seemed very unlikely halfway through this year, but this has been one hell of a drop-off.  

And after Wieters never lived up to expectations, it is definitely a fear that we may be reliving this again.  Let's hope this second half was just an aberration. 

 

Allowing a bad half a season, without having the info of why, to totally change your view and expectations of a player is foolish…especially when that player was the best at his position prior to that slump.

[Moose Milligan]

14 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

I do feel like Adley is out of shape or at least has gotten more out of shape than usual. That’s part of the reason I think he’s hurt…not working out as much.

If he is healthy and the slump is this bad, I’m ok questioning whether or not the new GF(ie the distraction) is part of it. Is he putting everything into the game that he should?  

Questioning whether or not the new GF is a distraction is one of your sillier takes, SG.

 

 

[Sports Guy]

15 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Questioning whether or not the new GF is a distraction is one of your sillier takes, SG.

 

 

Why is that silly?  You don’t think off field distractions happen to athletes?

It’s one thing to have a slump. It’s another thing to be bad for a while because of injury.

But if he is just bad for this long, with no reason behind it, it’s entirely fair to wonder if there are things outside the lines that are bothering or distracting him.

A relationship can obviously be one of those things.

Edited 1 hour ago by Sports Guy

[DirtyBird]

12 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

Adley is having a down year. I believe he will bounce back.

"A down year" is over 33% of his career.

[Warehouse]

My hypothesis is that he sustained nerve damage to his right hand on that June 27th foul tip.  As long as it’s not a Ryan Braun-type situation, I’m hopeful that the second half this year will just be an anomaly.