Kevin Millwood Possible Trade Updates...

[TiredofLosing20]

3. He isn't very good and we can't deal him and you can't risk offering him arbitration.

4) You have injuries or poor development from young pitchers, keep him throughout the year and still not offer him arbitration.

You beat me to it.

Clearly there is potential upside to having him at the deadline but as you have noted that is far from guaranteed.

[Mackus]

One year of Millwood is...

1. Flipped at the trade deadline for more prospects.

or

2. Draft pick compensation when he becomes a free agent.

There really is just very, very little chance Millwood is offered arbitration after this year. Even if he has a very good year.

[ChaosLex]

Isn't Millwood a Boras client? How often do his lesser clients accept arbitration?

[Mackus]

Isn't Millwood a Boras client? How often do his lesser clients accept arbitration?

If the arbitration amount is going to b 2-3 times what he'd get as a free agent, it doesn't matter who your agent is.

[TGO]

There really is just very, very little chance Millwood is offered arbitration after this year. Even if he has a very good year.

If he's a type B I think there's a decent chance he is offered and rejects arbitration. He could get a two year deal somewhere. It would be sort of tough to root for someone not to be a type A, though, wouldn't it? But if he's type A there's no way you can offer arbitration.

[Arthur_Bryant]

3. He isn't very good and we can't deal him and you can't risk offering him arbitration.

4) You have injuries or poor development from young pitchers, keep him throughout the year and still not offer him arbitration.

Sure. You can't count on a secondary payoff for Millwood. The deal has to stand or fall on its own. But I think it does, if it's Ray for Millwood and his salary. He might not return full value in terms of wins for his substantial salary, but he offers something that the Orioles will probably need.

The rest is just a potential bonus. But it's not an unrealistic possibility, and if it happens, it kicks this trade into the category of a very good to great deal.

[byrdz]

If he's a type B I think there's a decent chance he is offered and rejects arbitration. He could get a two year deal somewhere. It would be sort of tough to root for someone not to be a type A, though, wouldn't it? But if he's type A there's no way you can offer arbitration.

Just another reason to not sign him especially if you're giving up a prospect of any value. The Red Sox are good at acquiring players that will give them something on the back end. The Orioles are not.

[mcgraw238]

If the arbitration amount is going to b 2-3 times what he'd get as a free agent, it doesn't matter who your agent is.

At the end of the day it doesn't really matter if he accepts and what he gets in arbitration since it would be on a non-guaranteed contract under the arbitration rules.

[DrungoHazewood]

Just another reason to not sign him especially if you're giving up a prospect of any value. The Red Sox are good at acquiring players that will give them something on the back end. The Orioles are not.

They have been in the past, but the environment has changed. Teams are much less willing to sign somebody else's Type A and give up a pick unless they're really good. And teams are much less willing to offer arbitration to someone who's likely to get a much smaller deal in free agency.

I think you'll see the Sox do less free agent churn/stockpiling of picks than they used to.

[hoosiers]

If he's a type B I think there's a decent chance he is offered and rejects arbitration. He could get a two year deal somewhere. It would be sort of tough to root for someone not to be a type A, though, wouldn't it? But if he's type A there's no way you can offer arbitration.

If he's a Type B, Millwood could sign with another team prior to the Os having to offer arbitration.

[DrungoHazewood]

At the end of the day it doesn't really matter if he accepts and what he gets in arbitration since it would be on a non-guaranteed contract under the arbitration rules.

Are you implying that contracts with values awarded in arbitration are non-guaranteed? If that's true, it's news to me.

[Cokeman]

Are you implying that contracts with values awarded in arbitration are non-guaranteed? If that's true, it's news to me.

I think this came up a couple years ago on here concerning arbitration contracts. If the player is released before the season starts, they only get 30/45 days pay...depending on the date of release.

Here's a link...

Arbitration

The panel, without opinion, awards the player a one-year, non-guaranteed contract at one salary or the other. If the player is cut within 16 days before the season begins, he is entitled only to 30 days’ termination pay. If the player is cut during spring training but after the 16th day before the season begins, he is entitled only to 45 days’ termination pay.

[bird watcher]

I think this came up a couple years ago on here concerning arbitration contracts. If the player is released before the season starts, they only get 30/45 days pay...depending on the date of release.

Here's a link...

Arbitration

That puts another spin on the Soriano deal in Atlanta too. I didn't know that.

[Ruzious]

So, it's likely just Millwood for Ray? Even though Ray's got basically zero value, I think you gotta get a useful young player in this deal - or have Texas pick up 4 mil or more of Milly's salary. You gotsta leverage trades like this - not just fill stopgap holes.

[ScottieBaseball]

Per Jeff Zrebiec via Peter Schmuck, the O's are on the verge of closing the deal...

http://forum.orioleshangout.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91015