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I just don't understand the (at least perceived) penny-wise, pound-foolish tack this organization takes time after time. They'll sign established mediocrities every single offseason for $millions, yet be completely unwilling to risk a few $million on someone like Koji/a draft pick with real upside.

My take is that Angelos is terrified of the risk of getting zero production/value out of someone, and that he'd much rather acquire someone with far less upside if they have less chance of being an embarrassment.

The last 15 years has been just full of acquisitions that scream out "let's see if we can avoid getting laughed at, if just barely".

I agree. You are much more knowledgeable about this than am I, so let me ask you: what do you think is a ballpark of the max Koji receives in arbitration and do you think his production would warrant that contract, even if it is (as you say) a couple million more than BAL could get him on the open market?

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I'm really shocked anyone is trying to defend this.

Why? You do know that message boards allow membership from people who work in warehouses, right?

I was "meh" on it at the time. Then I called him "Cobra Commander" for a good part of the season for his almost unparalleled ability to yank defeat from the jaws of victory.

I see where you could be going with this. Perhaps AM is learning not to give loads of money to injury prone pitchers? Smarter. Wiser.

I'm not buying your arguments, but if you're right, I guess it means the O's are going to spend on a lot of players, likely forfeit at least their 2nd round pick, and end up with 1 pick in the first 2-3 rounds of one of the better draft classes in memory. Yay?!?

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If I'm going to respond to AM about his decision not to offer arbitration to Koji, I think Antoine Dodson sums it up best: "You are so dumb. You are really dumb. For real."

BTW, if you don't know who Antoine Dodson is, here you go:

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Why? You do know that message boards allow membership from people who work in warehouses, right?
Personally I think it was a poor decision on MacPhail's part but that doesn't mean I would consider anyone attempting to gain insight on his reasoning to be uneducated. :rolleyes:
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Missed opportunities. If you're going to tell your fanbase to be patient because you're building from within, then you darn well better make every possible move to expedite that process. Otherwise you just appear incompetent and insincere. Sometimes I think AM out-thinks himself. I wonder if this is one of those cases. I mean, just go to arb, and you either get Koji or some draft comp. What's there to lose?

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I just don't understand the (at least perceived) penny-wise, pound-foolish tack this organization takes time after time. They'll sign established mediocrities every single offseason for $millions, yet be completely unwilling to risk a few $million on someone like Koji/a draft pick with real upside.

My take is that Angelos is terrified of the risk of getting zero production/value out of someone, and that he'd much rather acquire someone with far less upside if they have less chance of being an embarrassment.

The last 15 years has been just full of acquisitions that scream out "let's see if we can avoid getting laughed at, if just barely".

That so depressingly - perfectly - sums up the last 15 years of Orioles fandom. We're still haunted by the ghost of Albert Belle. How insane is that?

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I just don't understand the (at least perceived) penny-wise, pound-foolish tack this organization takes time after time. They'll sign established mediocrities every single offseason for $millions, yet be completely unwilling to risk a few $million on someone like Koji/a draft pick with real upside.

My take is that Angelos is terrified of the risk of getting zero production/value out of someone, and that he'd much rather acquire someone with far less upside if they have less chance of being an embarrassment.

The last 15 years has been just full of acquisitions that scream out "let's see if we can avoid getting laughed at, if just barely".

Penny-wise, pound-foolish is an excellent perspective...I hope MacPhail writes a memoir someday so I can get an idea of what he was thinking at various junctures, because right now I'm just confused.

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Personally I think it was a poor decision on MacPhail's part but that doesn't mean I would consider anyone attempting to gain insight on his reasoning to be uneducated. :rolleyes:

I think he's saying that MacPhail's defenders are Warehouse plants, not manual laborers.

To which I say: get OVER yourself.

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Not trying to defend AM, because this is a complete joke, but is there a chance this is all PA? Perhaps he's told AM "when in doubt, never risk arbitration". Either way this whole situation is a complete joke.

We need a Russian billionaire.

This one.

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So AM is willing to give VMART 48 million dollars, but is afraid of spending a few more million on Koji? This is absurd. Not much else to say that hasn't been said but terrible move by MacPhail.

The Orioles had 44 blown saves in 2010,give that 48 mill to R. Soriano and he cuts that way down (even half) so the O's have 88 wins instead of 66. Sound good?:) Forget about all the high priced FA. Adding Soriano alone would make us a .500 team. Buck adds 10 more wins BIG SMILE go O's

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