Source: Orioles Close To Signing Kevin Gregg To Two Year Deal

[J.D.]

Want proof Gregg is a good signing?

BOOM:

Career ERA+: 109

Number of consecutive years w/23 or more saves: 4

SO/BB Rate in last two odd seasons (07, 09): 2.18 and 2.37, respectively

Number of HR allowed in 2010 as compared to 2009: -9

THAT'S HOW YOU DROP DATA, SON!

You didn't give that sentence nearly the amount of exclamation points it deserves. That was a four exclamation point sentence, minimum.

[Sports Guy]

I completely agree. Will Ohman was one of them. Noone expected him to be as dominant as he was to start the year last year. But there are also scrap players that get picked up and play like Garrett Atkins.

Is Gregg as good as Rafael Soriano? No, but he is CONSISTANTLY a reliever that has an ERA around 3.50 - 4.00. I'll pay for that.

Fine..But instead of 12 million, you could have paid 2 million.

This is just dumb. To overpay 10 million for a 3.8 ERA reliever is idiotic.

[Moose Milligan]

Connolly via twitter:

@danconnollysun

Dan Connolly

#Orioles have not made a $12 million offer to Kevin Gregg. Club doesn't feel any deal is imminent. 2 year offer bw 8-10M still on table

[Brendan25]

Fine..But instead of 12 million, you could have paid 2 million.

This is just dumb. To overpay 10 million for a 3.8 ERA reliever is idiotic.

And he would have laughed and signed with another team.

[Guest Hayden2004]

danconnollysun Dan Connolly

#Orioles have not made a $12 million offer to Kevin Gregg. Club doesn't feel any deal is imminent. 2 year offer bw 8-10M still on table

[Mark Carver]

Connolly via twitter:

@danconnollysun

Dan Connolly

#Orioles have not made a $12 million offer to Kevin Gregg. Club doesn't feel any deal is imminent. 2 year offer bw 8-10M still on table

Yall can take back your he said, he said....

[J.D.]

Connolly via twitter:

@danconnollysun

Dan Connolly

#Orioles have not made a $12 million offer to Kevin Gregg. Club doesn't feel any deal is imminent. 2 year offer bw 8-10M still on table

Look, if you're going to go ahead and waste $4-5M a year on a meh reliever, you might as well just go ahead and waste the extra $1-2M a year on him.

[Going Underground]

I think our offer is still out there. . Probably since Boston is one of the main suitors,you send out a rumor and try to get them to up their bid.

[Crazysilver03]

The past four years he has had an ERA under 4.00 in 3 years and an ERA+ of 119 or more in 3 years. How exactly is he below average?

Because ERA is not a good evaluation stat for relievers.

It is hard to bring up the stats right now since my Internet is running ridiculously slow.

[MrOrange82]

Not very high. Rivera has been over 2.6 WAR only three times in his career. IMO, WAR doesn't do a good job in accounting for their value, but I don't really have much to back it up except pointing you to Rivera's worth.

Hmm...this is actually really interesting. Out of the 163 relief pitchers who threw 40 innings or more last year, 49 of them finished with a WAR of 1.0 or better. According to the measure, Mr. Gregg was precisely as valuable as Jason Berken

You're probably right...doesn't seem to be a great standard.

Regardless, good to hear the contract report is probably false/overblown.

[Sports Guy]

Okay, I don't 100% agree. Every year, many of the best relievers are signed off the scrap heap, but this is more an artifact of reliever seasons being small sample sizes by definition than because reliever true talent is specifically more valuable than starter true talent. If you want consistent production, you have to pay for quality, if you can identify it. If you roll the dice on cheap acquisitions, sometimes you get what you need and sometimes you get a guy who's cut in Spring Training.

Then why are we signing Gregg? :wedge:

[Sports Guy]

And he would have laughed and signed with another team.

And we would be no worse off.

[Sports Guy]

Connolly via twitter:

@danconnollysun

Dan Connolly

#Orioles have not made a $12 million offer to Kevin Gregg. Club doesn't feel any deal is imminent. 2 year offer bw 8-10M still on table

Whether it is 8 million, 10 million or 12 million, its still a stupid contract..Its just different degrees of stupidity.

[weams]

Connolly says this is untrue. Same deal, same offer, not any closer.

[Scrat1]

I think our offer is still out there. . Probably since Boston is one of the main suitors,you send out a rumor and try to get them to up their bid.

I bet there's some truth to this. Maybe MacPhail's offer (2 years/8-10 million) is on the table because it's not so wildly expensive that if he accepted, we'd be in a tough spot, but it's also high enough to make Boston's bullpen reconstruction more difficult and expensive.