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paulcoates Veteran All-Star

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Maybe they can get Garza for free if they take Soriano's contract?

While I assure you they won't be giving Garza away, they will force money down their trading partners throat and get a good prospect or two out of the deal. In fact, it would not surprise me if it ended up being 2 deals

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Remember the outcry when we traded these top two players.

Damon Buford and Alex Ochoa.

Or Jeremy Guthrie.

Lets not judge exploring this before it happens. Maybe we trade Bridwell for Garza, Soriano and 20 million. Who knows what either team is thinking at this point? To speculate that this deal might be bad is just as ridiculous as making up trade scenarios.

Here's an out of the box thought: Soriano at third. Ridiculous, I know, but he can't be much worse than Reynolds (or Betemit).

Just going with Fielding %, Betemit at third has a career .939 in ~3000 innings (-13.9 UZR/150). Reynolds .928 in ~5600 (-11.5 UZR/150). Soriano, at second, was at .971 in ~6700 innings (-8.9 UZR/150). Granted, none since 2005, but I bet he could be roughly equal Reynolds/Betemit, at worst, over there.

The question then becomes the bat. I dunno, its pretty nuts, and I didn't get any sleep last night.

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I think Tillman, Berken, Bergesen, and Johnson have some value. Plus maybe Hoes and Avery. Would love to make this deal, but I would not trade a top 6 player (Bundy, Machado, Schoop, Delmonico, Lino, Rodriguez).

Maybe work Flaherty in too.

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I think Tillman, Berken, Bergesen, and Johnson have some value. Plus maybe Hoes and Avery. Would love to make this deal, but I would not trade a top 6 player (Bundy, Machado, Schoop, Delmonico, Lino, Rodriguez).

Maybe work Flaherty in too.

Yeah, those are reasonable names. Tillman and Flaherty plus cash/salary considertions would make sense.

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I think Tillman, Berken, Bergesen, and Johnson have some value. Plus maybe Hoes and Avery. Would love to make this deal, but I would not trade a top 6 player (Bundy, Machado, Schoop, Delmonico, Lino, Rodriguez).

Maybe work Flaherty in too.

I am not sure you could trade BB or JB for anything above a Single A player. We would be crazy to trade Johnson too. I wouldn't mess with anyone's role in the bullpen right now.

I would include schoop, Lino or Rodriguez in a deal for Garza

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Soriano is a salary dump. The more salary we take on thje less prospects we give up. In the abstract, given Reimold's status I would love to add Garza and Soriano. It just depends on who we lose and how much we pay. That's the trade off. The can't have Bundy or Machado, but I would let them pick from the likes of Tillman, Britton, Shoop, Avery, and Bridwell.

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Soriano is a salary dump. The more salary we take on thje less prospects we give up. In the abstract, given Reimold's status I would love to add Garza and Soriano. It just depends on who we lose and how much we pay. That's the trade off. The can't have Bundy or Machado, but I would let them pick from the likes of Tillman, Britton, Shoop, Avery, and Bridwell.

You would take Soriano's contract and give up Schoop or Britton? You are a bigger fan of Garza then I am.

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Man, I am not a Cubs fan, but there is no way I would doa deal with O's for Garza if they were offering those two for Garza and Soriano.

A lot of it is based on how much of Soriano's salary we take. Garza is good, but he's not that good.

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You would take Soriano's contract and give up Schoop or Britton? You are a bigger fan of Garza then I am.

Yeah, I woudn't give up Britton or Schoop either. I think Mclovin put some good names out there. If I were givng up Schoop/Brittion it'd be for somebody like Headley.

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The thing is Soriano has negative value. Garza alone is worth more then the package of them together.

The way I have been reading the deals the Cubbies would be looking to put together is that they want prospects and will include money in the deal to get them. The question most seem to think is a given is are the Cubs willing to give Garza away just to rid themselves of Soriano? That has not been my impression

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You would take Soriano's contract and give up Schoop or Britton? You are a bigger fan of Garza then I am.
I would take some of Soriano's, salary say 10 M, plus Garza's salary, plus Tillman and Schoop. Maybe throw in a PTBNL or Flaherty.
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