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SammyBirdland Hangout Grand Counsel

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Only because of money really. The O's haven't offered enough to land anybody.

There's been a surcharge they've been unwilling to pay. If they trade Jones, that surcharge goes up quite a bit.

Got it. So if we trade Jones, we really REALLY won't get any free agents to come here. But if we keep him, then we won't get any free agents to come here, but it will only be because we're not willing to spend what it takes to win.

It sounds like we should keep him and go to bed as losers knowing that we *could* win if we wanted to.

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The Maestro Major Leaguer Cup of Coffee

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I'm not feeling confident (just a hunch) that Jones is going to sign an extension here, so we should move him now while his value is pretty good. However, I'm even less confident that DD will be able to move him for the desired pieces he wants back. So I think he stays for now.

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Got it. So if we trade Jones, we really REALLY won't get any free agents to come here. But if we keep him, then we won't get any free agents to come here, but it will only be because we're not willing to spend what it takes to win.

It sounds like we should keep him and go to bed as losers knowing that we *could* win if we wanted to.

No we should keep him and build a winning team around him like Duquette said he wanted to do.

Trading Jones is not going to be like trading Bedard if you actually want to deal him for what teams value him at.

If you are going to do that Wieters will have to go as well to accomplish a true rebuild and not a half-assed approach so we can get back a lot of talented players to build the next core from.

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Kansas City makes a lot of sense for Jones and Guthrie. Kansas City has a shot this year in the weak AL Central believe it or not. And Guthrie would pitch very well in that ball park. I also know that KC's system is loaded. Lorenzo Cain would be expendable with the aquisition of Jones, and he is a very talented but raw CFer. They also have a raft of excellent pitching prospects. I would be ringing Mr. Moore's phone off the hook at this point.

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Kansas City makes a lot of sense for Jones and Guthrie. Kansas City has a shot this year in the weak AL Central believe it or not. And Guthrie would pitch very well in that ball park. I also know that KC's system is loaded. Lorenzo Cain would be expendable with the aquisition of Jones, and he is a very talented but raw CFer. They also have a raft of excellent pitching prospects. I would be ringing Mr. Moore's phone off the hook at this point.

I agree with this post. Dayton Moore said he was going to start dabbling in the trade game now that he has his prospects maturing a bit. I think the O's can pull off a Jones trade for Cain, and two quality pitching prospects.

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Thanks to StrawDawg, who was the first to point this out.

FWIW, Adam's mom had this to say on FB...
Every EXIT is an ENTRANCE to somewhere else.... so true, stay optimistic ~ just as one thing ends, it leaves room for something better to come along...
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Anyway, Adam Jones is still an Oriole, and he'll remain one unless a team is willing to give up a lot for him. That's been the case all along.

Executive vice president Dan Duquette isn't actively shopping him. But he recognizes that Jones is a prime trade chip, and more expendable than the largely untouchable Matt Wieters. He'll certainly listen to offers and counter with one that's more to his liking.

If he's turned down, so be it. This isn't a garage sale. He'll gladly hold onto Jones if he can't get enough pitching in return.

The Braves inquired about Jones. Duquette wanted more than starter Jair Jurrjens and infielder/outfielder Martin Prado, who could replace Brian Roberts at second base. He wanted a couple of their high-ceiling young pitchers. Why wouldn't he?

Apparently, the Braves don't want Jones badly enough to dip into a collection of arms that includes Brandon Beachy, Mike Minor, Randall Delgado, Arodys Vizcaino and Julio Teheran.

(Must be nice to have that many young pitchers on the 40-man roster who make executives nervous and sweaty. And I didn't even mention Tommy Hanson.)

I'm not real comfortable with trading Jones and leaving that gaping hole in center field, but if you offer me two of those arms along with Jurrjens and Prado...well, it's real hard to walk away.

It's a moot point. The Braves are walking away.

Are the talks dead between the two sides? Not from what I've heard. Are they heating up? You couldn't harden a yolk with them right now.

As I write that sentence, I'm waiting for the next tweet from an insider claiming that the talks are hot again. It's going to keep playing out that way. The Braves have Prado and pitching. The Orioles have certain needs.

The Orioles also have Jones this morning.

You don't have to be an insider to know that much.

http://www.masnsports.com/school_of_roch/2012/01/a-non-update-update-on-adam-jones.html

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I've believed that the Braves, Nats, Giants, and Angels have been at the top of the short list of potential landing spots.

If none of these teams are offering what we are asking, is it worth the gamble to wait until the break and see where things are?

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If none of these teams are offering what we are asking, is it worth the gamble to wait until the break and see where things are?

If we can't get back what we want for Jones, then yes, we keep him and listen during the summer to see if things improve. In reality we don't HAVE to trade Jones... although we should if a great deal presents itself.

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After spending a decade watching guys like Luis Matos, Corey Patterson, Chris Singleton, and even Karim Garcia play a bad center field and not hit for crap, we finally get a good center fielder. Now all anyone wants to do is trade him. How about spending some of that MASN money and improving the team and building around the good players? I have no interest in seeing the Orioles constantly trade off good players for someone else's somedays and maybe-will-be's. Oakland does it, Pittsburgh does it, and Kansas City did it. What do those teams all have in common?

The Orioles don't HAVE to be cheap and crappy. The organization just chooses to. They've been rebuilding this thing for a decade now, and a LOT of people on this board just keeps giving them a pass, thinking they're going to really build something this time. And now that they actually have decent players, you forget about all the stiffs they tried to build with the first few times who never made it. Work with the talent you have. Fans should line up with pitchforks and torches outside the warehouse if Jones is traded.

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After spending a decade watching guys like Luis Matos, Corey Patterson, Chris Singleton, and even Karim Garcia play a bad center field and not hit for crap, we finally get a good center fielder. Now all anyone wants to do is trade him. How about spending some of that MASN money and improving the team and building around the good players? I have no interest in seeing the Orioles constantly trade off good players for someone else's somedays and maybe-will-be's. Oakland does it, Pittsburgh does it, and Kansas City did it. What do those teams all have in common?

The Orioles don't HAVE to be cheap and crappy. The organization just chooses to. They've been rebuilding this thing for a decade now, and a LOT of people on this board just keeps giving them a pass, thinking they're going to really build something this time. And now that they actually have decent players, you forget about all the stiffs they tried to build with the first few times who never made it. Work with the talent you have. Fans should line up with pitchforks and torches outside the warehouse if Jones is traded.

John ...tell this to Angelos. The writings on the wall and Angelos will not spend big in free agency. Since we dont have enough self produced talent to get out of the cellar trading guys like Jones are our only hope.

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After spending a decade watching guys like Luis Matos, Corey Patterson, Chris Singleton, and even Karim Garcia play a bad center field and not hit for crap, we finally get a good center fielder. Now all anyone wants to do is trade him. How about spending some of that MASN money and improving the team and building around the good players? I have no interest in seeing the Orioles constantly trade off good players for someone else's somedays and maybe-will-be's. Oakland does it, Pittsburgh does it, and Kansas City did it. What do those teams all have in common?

The Orioles don't HAVE to be cheap and crappy. The organization just chooses to. They've been rebuilding this thing for a decade now, and a LOT of people on this board just keeps giving them a pass, thinking they're going to really build something this time. And now that they actually have decent players, you forget about all the stiffs they tried to build with the first few times who never made it. Work with the talent you have. Fans should line up with pitchforks and torches outside the warehouse if Jones is traded.

Ehh, I can and do believe the O's should spend more money but I don't see Jones as being all that great of a player and it's an optimum time to move him imo. I think we fell into this trap too often with the likes of Mora/Gibbons/Roberts etc. Not that the Jones situation is completely analagous. I believe there are a lot of CF's coming on the FA market next year. In the end we want to win and we won't do that by extending "decent" players with limited upside, nor with the base we have now. We need to acquire and develop some exceptional players and have a system with much more depth. Overall, I'm pretty happy with what DD and the organization is doing.

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