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Moose Milligan Hangout Grand Counsel

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Get rid of everyone.  We'll have to eat a lot of the Davis and Trumbo contracts but it doesn't matter.

After watching the Yankees absolutely shred us and seeing teams like the Sox get younger and better, there's no doubt in my mind we will be proper screwed for years if we don't sell and sell large at the deadline this year.

 

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It's pretty obvious to me that this pitching isn't getting to the playoffs. Last place is more likely. My question to the greater minds here is "why do the O's have such a mess in the minors? I mean really? It's awful. I know PA and the latin player thing is big. This is the real reason the O's need to sell. There's no cavalry coming. To compete in the AL East this cannot continue. Mind boggling.

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5 hours ago, DirtyBird said:

Can't make long term decisions based on chance to play 1 game to get in real playoffs.

If the team isn't good enough to be in division hunt, then it's probably not good enough to win WS, and it's time to sell.

Sorry to take so long to get back, but I agree with you 100%.   I'm just saying what I feel Orioles' management will do.   They aren't going to be breaking this team up if they are in striking distance of the wild card, no matter how remote our chances may be.   

I just don't see this team having the starting pitching to remain in the hunt.   Unless there is a huge turnaround with the starting pitching in the next few weeks, this team is toast.

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2 hours ago, TradeAngelos said:

And all you people advocating trading Manny will never get it. You trade all the garbage around him and pay him, because if he goes the entire organizational stability for the next 10 years goes right with him. Yeah that is a great plan, trade one of the best players on baseball who could be here for the next 10-12 years as the face of the franchise. Genius move right there.

Right, because a one superstar driven team has worked out so well for the Angels, Marlins and Reds.  And Manny has never come close to the numbers of a Mike Trout or a Joey Votto.  Manny Machado isn't the most overrated player in baseball -- and probably will regain his form -- but there are at least twenty other hitters out there that are as good or better.  Manny isn't even close to being once in a generation talent, but let potential trade partners think he might be.

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At this point I am just going to sit back and laugh at all the overreaction and stupidity that is coming from a frustrated fanbase. Trade everyone! Worst team in the league! That 7 win best defensive player in the game will only "hurt" us over the next 10 years if we sign him! . ARod put up 71.4 WAR THE NEXT 10 YEARS you imbeciles. What an albatross of a contract. We don't want that around here. Oh no! Mind boggling. 

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13 minutes ago, TradeAngelos said:

At this point I am just going to sit back and laugh at all the overreaction and stupidity that is coming from a frustrated fanbase. Trade everyone! Worst team in the league! That 7 win best defensive player in the game will only "hurt" us over the next 10 years if we sign him! . ARod put up 71.4 WAR THE NEXT 10 YEARS you imbeciles. What an albatross of a contract. We don't want that around here. Oh no! Mind boggling. 

When did ARod ever suck as bad as Manny has sucked this year?  Do people equate Manny with ARod because they wear the same number and pal around together?  I think Manny will regain his form, but even if he does he is more Adrian Beltre than Alex Rodriguez.  Overreaction and stupidity comes from thinking one great player alone a great team makes.  Who wouldn't trade Manny Machado straight up for Carlos Correa or Francisco Lindor or Corey Seager or <fill name in here>?  If he's so great and his talent is so rare, why are there so many players I would rather have as much as or nstead of him?

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Who can we really even sell?

Machado- hurt, and having a terrible season.  We wouldn't get fair value.  

Ubaldo- Terrible

Tillman- Terrible and Hurt

O'day - Hurt

Kim- Doesn't play, having a down year.  We'd have to eat his salary.  

Castillo & Miley- We could trade them but not get top guys.  

Gausman- Terrible

 

So for those that want to sell we could only sell a hurt Manny and then Miley, Castillo and Brach.  They're not bringing back enough to justify the payroll we would still have.  We're kind of stuck going for it the next two seasons.  

 

 

 

 

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52 minutes ago, CheeryO said:

When did ARod ever suck as bad as Manny has sucked this year?  Do people equate Manny with ARod because they wear the same number and pal around together?  I think Manny will regain his form, but even if he does he is more Adrian Beltre than Alex Rodriguez.  Overreaction and stupidity comes from thinking one great player alone a great team makes.  Who wouldn't trade Manny Machado straight up for Carlos Correa or Francisco Lindor or Corey Seager or <fill name in here>?  If he's so great and his talent is so rare, why are there so many players I would rather have as much as or nstead of him?

Are those teams trading those players? He turns 25 in July, he is younger than Judge.  

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18 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Who can we really even sell?

Machado- hurt, and having a terrible season.  We wouldn't get fair value.  

Ubaldo- Terrible

Tillman- Terrible and Hurt

O'day - Hurt

Kim- Doesn't play, having a down year.  We'd have to eat his salary.  

Castillo & Miley- We could trade them but not get top guys.  

Gausman- Terrible

 

So for those that want to sell we could only sell a hurt Manny and then Miley, Castillo and Brach.  They're not bringing back enough to justify the payroll we would still have.  We're kind of stuck going for it the next two seasons.  

 

 

 

 

You can always get pieces back to increase your depth and maybe you hit on one. Also payroll reduction. 

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17 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

You can always get pieces back to increase your depth and maybe you hit on one. Also payroll reduction. 

We'd still have a 100+ million dollar payroll and not really get any impact guys back.  I think we've missed our window to sell.  Britton should have been sold in the offseason for a ransom.  We could have sold Britton for a top end SP prospect and 1-2 other top 100ish guys.  

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The Braves could be a surprise team to make a serious offer for Manny - despite not being a contender for the playoffs.  They have a new stadium and need something to attract fans - as their play has been disappointing.  They also have the number 1 level of minor league talent - including top 10 in baseball 2B/SS Ozzie Albies.  Lefty Koby Allard and OFer Ron Acuna are also absurdly good prospects.

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For me, the argument against extending Machado has less to do with Machado than the rest of the team. If you put $300 million (or more) into Machado, how are you going to build and maintain a winning team around him? We don't have the young players coming up. The farm system is very weak. We trade Machado not because he won't be worth the money but because we need to find a way back to contention, and I don't see how we can do that without acquiring prospects (and probably finishing in last for a couple years in a row so we can get some really high draft picks). 

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