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wildcard Hangout Grand Counsel

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6 hours ago, Lucky_13 said:

So in honor of Tillman raising his ERA to 8.39 the question becomes how do you fix the rotation if you can? 

At AAA Jayson Aquino seems like the only guy who could do something but his ERA is still above 4 and he has iffy stuff.

The only guy I can think of is Lucas Long but he was just put back in the rotation.

So thoughts?

O's are going to need Aquino, Long and more.

They are going to need to go to an 8 man pen and a three man bench. 

They are going to need to trade Britton for starting pitching.    Brach has shown he can close.  O'Day is coming back and Givens is a force.  Between the three of many they can handle the back end of pen.   That makes Britton available for trade at the deadline.   The O's need starter help more than back end reliever help.  Britton is a Boras client who probably goes through FA.  O's probably can't re-sign him at that point.   Trading him before the deadline gives the team trading for him two pennant races.   Hate to do it but I think they have to.

Bundy arm is fatigued.  They can't expect him to go much longer in the rotation without a rest.

Its going to take Dan's best effort to keep the O's in the race.   But I think O's ownership, and management will want to try everything to get to the playoffs.

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3 hours ago, Ruzious said:

For all the screaming about what a mistake it was to let Bridwell go, he really has not shown much this season.  He's got a 1.448 WHIP in his magnificent 9.2 innings in the bigs this season, so he's been lucky in not giving  up runs.  And in his 40.1 minor league innings this season, he has a combined 5.80 ERA.  

Not missing any bats, allowing too many baserunners, FIP over 6, xFIP over 5 and bad minor league numbers.... something tells me his 3.07 ERA in these two starts may be a mirage and he's actually bad.

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1 hour ago, Babypowder said:

Not missing any bats, allowing too many baserunners, FIP over 6, xFIP over 5 and bad minor league numbers.... something tells me his 3.07 ERA in these two starts may be a mirage and he's actually bad.

His whole minor league career would lead me to believe that. 

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The guys in our rotation have to pitch better. There is no help out there that we can acquire for a reasonable price.

I mean is Scott Feldman really better than Wade Miley? I think not. 

So, let's say the O's want Matt Moore from SF or Sonny Gray from OAK. They've both pitched very badly this year. Do we even have the goods in the minors to get either of those guys? I don't think so. 

I can't imagine they're going to trade Britton. DD is got to be scouring the waiver wire, checking the Mexican league, and hoping and praying for a miracle. 

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5 hours ago, wildcard said:

O's are going to need Aquino, Long and more.

They are going to need to go to an 8 man pen and a three man bench. 

They are going to need to trade Britton for starting pitching.    Brach has shown he can close.  O'Day is coming back and Givens is a force.  Between the three of many they can handle the back end of pen.   That makes Britton available for trade at the deadline.   The O's need starter help more than back end reliever help.  Britton is a Boras client who probably goes through FA.  O's probably can't re-sign him at that point.   Trading him before the deadline gives the team trading for him two pennant races.   Hate to do it but I think they have to.

Bundy arm is fatigued.  They can't expect him to go much longer in the rotation without a rest.

Its going to take Dan's best effort to keep the O's in the race.   But I think O's ownership, and management will want to try everything to get to the playoffs.

Thats an interesting idea. But what teams have enough major league quality pitching depth to make the trades? Not sure you want to put prospects in the rotation if you are trying to make a playoff run. It would save us from dealing from a weak farm though.

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10 hours ago, Norfolk orioles said:

Ha ha I was literally just about to suggest this.

 

Go kidnap Palmer and company name their primes and transport them back to 1997.

 

Our current rotation is totally overwhelmed and outmatched against pretty much everyone.

Aren't you worried our coaching staff would mess them up?

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Assuming that Tillman continues to pitch poorly, I would release or DL him as soon as Mike Wright is healthy enough to take his place in the rotation.  Wright's ERA is not good, but his stuff has looked better to me this year (much better movement on his pitches, especially) and his peripherals (14/1 K/BB) suggest that he may have turned a corner.  

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40 minutes ago, Three Run Homer said:

Assuming that Tillman continues to pitch poorly, I would release or DL him as soon as Mike Wright is healthy enough to take his place in the rotation.  Wright's ERA is not good, but his stuff has looked better to me this year (much better movement on his pitches, especially) and his peripherals (14/1 K/BB) suggest that he may have turned a corner.  

I'd bring up Aquino. Wright is amazing in 1 or 2 innings, no more

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You have to trade one of Britton or Brach to improve the rotation in the short term. 

I don't doubt that a Mountcastle, Hays, or even Sisco could be part of a package for a decent starter but that would be incredibly ill-advised given our lack of depth in the minors and multiple pending free agents on the big league roster.  

Realistically, we need to add two starters if they expect to have any chance at the Wild Card.  

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You don't. At least...not without trading your major league pieces, because there aren't any blue chips that you can trade in the minors to reload the rotation.

Basically to fix the rotation, Gausman needs to pitch like he did last year and Tillman needs to get his velocity and his command back....and Miley needs to find the middle ground between overperforming (April and part of May) and underperforming (end of May/early June).

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