Anyone else open to the idea of extending Manny?

[twinedenter]

1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

But once they cut the one knee open they knew what they were dealing with.  From what I have read Manny is no more likely to have knee issues than anyone else.  I don't see why that could discourage a team from signing him to an extension.

Both knees man. I have to think it plays a role. But, who knows what Duquette and PA are thinking. 

[Ruzious]

Ask Theo Epstein what he would do, and do that.  

[Can_of_corn]

10 minutes ago, twinedenter said:

Both knees man. I have to think it plays a role. But, who knows what Duquette and PA are thinking. 

But it was the same issue with both knees.  Word is the doctors told Manny eventually his other knee would go out.

Of course you factor that data into any offer you make but it is not like we are talking microfracture surgery.

[blid]

I think Manny wants to test free agency and sign with the Yankees or somebody like that.  So what I think the Orioles need to do is come up with their Wow offer asap, I mean maybe something as big as 10/300 (or as high as the Orioles are willing to go), and make him turn that down.  If/when he passes on that, then you start looking for a big haul in a trade.

Guys like Schoop, Mancini, and maybe Hays, Mountcastle, Mullins, Santander, and Sisco look like they could start us down the right path in terms of fielding a team of young position players.  If the Orioles traded Machado, Britton, Brach, Beef, they could get the team rebooted sooner rather than later.

[weams]

31 minutes ago, Ruzious said:

Ask Theo Epstein what he would do, and do that.  

Theo traded Nomar. 

[Aglets]

7 minutes ago, weams said:

Theo traded Nomar. 

Yes, he traded away Nomar when Nomar was 31 years old and kind of gimpy with an Achilles injury.

Manny is healthy and 25 years old.

[panick]

Who is Machado's agent? If it's Boras you know he will be a free agent.

This team is not a WS contender, and I don't think all of the flaws could be fixed over the winter to make it a contender next year. So I would rather trade Machado now(along with other O's) to get some very good prospects in return(although I seriously doubt Duquette could do that), and shoot for having a much better team in 2019(although I doubt Angelos would allow that).

I don't see any way that Machado is with the O's after next year, even if the O's offered more money that other teams. Get what you can for him now. 

[Can_of_corn]

3 minutes ago, panick said:

Who is Machado's agent? If it's Boras you know he will be a free agent.

This team is not a WS contender, and I don't think all of the flaws could be fixed over the winter to make it a contender next year. So I would rather trade Machado now(along with other O's) to get some very good prospects in return(although I seriously doubt Duquette could do that), and shoot for having a much better team in 2019(although I doubt Angelos would allow that).

I don't see any way that Machado is with the O's after next year, even if the O's offered more money that other teams. Get what you can for him now. 

First off his agent isn't Boras.  It was just mentioned on the board yesterday that his agent isn't Boras.

Secondly didn't we debunk the whole Boras agents always opt for free agency stuff two years ago when we were talking about Wieters?   Boras works for the player, if the player wants to stay it is Boras' job to make that happen.

[jtschrei]

In my opinion, the window to extend ended two years ago. Suddenly, the window seems slightly open because Manny is having such a bad year. That said, he's still at 2.1 WAR. I could easily see him finishing at over 4 WAR this season.

Even so, I can't see us extending Manny now because we know PA doesn't do "opt-out" clauses and I'm pretty sure Manny is going to want an opt-out clause. 

[MDtransplant757]

5 hours ago, Bahama O's Fan said:

Obviously Boston has their own young 3Bman so they probably won't be looking to sign him. Who will NYY and LAD have?

Dodgers have Justin Turner, who is home grown. Yankees have Glayber Torres. 

[Can_of_corn]

5 minutes ago, jtschrei said:

In my opinion, the window to extend ended two years ago. Suddenly, the window seems slightly open because Manny is having such a bad year. That said, he's still at 2.1 WAR. I could easily see him finishing at over 4 WAR this season.

Even so, I can't see us extending Manny now because we know PA doesn't do "opt-out" clauses and I'm pretty sure Manny is going to want an opt-out clause. 

Just call it a player option and he'll be fine with it.

[esmd]

The Orioles can't afford to pay the price he'll command.  I like him a lot and wish he could be an Oriole for life, but that's just not the reality of the situation.  Even if he only gets 10/300, the O's can't afford that, and I think he'll get more than that.  It's too much to play for one player.

[webbrick2010]

I thinks we should approach CD about chipping in 15 million/yr for Manny's extension. Then CD would only be making 50% more than his fair market price

[Bahama O's Fan]

47 minutes ago, MDtransplant757 said:

Dodgers have Justin Turner, who is home grown. Yankees have Glayber Torres. 

So what teams are Manny's market?

[Grt 2BA FL Gator]

19 minutes ago, esmd said:

The Orioles can't afford to pay the price he'll command.  I like him a lot and wish he could be an Oriole for life, but that's just not the reality of the situation.  Even if he only gets 10/300, the O's can't afford that, and I think he'll get more than that.  It's too much to play for one player.

It's not like we are the Rays though. We are essentially middle market with the way we've spent the past few years.