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1 hour ago, Frobby said:

Incidentally, Tillman's 7.91 ERA is the highest for any pitcher with 70+ IP since 2004.     That's how awful he's been, and yet we keep throwing him out there.   

Gee we didn't see that one coming. With the budget invested in this team DD should have made a move for a SP in the offseason.  Not just the guys he got in trades for cash.  

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2 hours ago, Frobby said:

Incidentally, Tillman's 7.91 ERA is the highest for any pitcher with 70+ IP since 2004.     That's how awful he's been, and yet we keep throwing him out there.   

Brian Matusz was given 12 starts in 2011, ERA 10.69, and only 49.2 innings in those starts.  Matusz broke Halladay's record for worst ERA with minimum 10 starts.

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1 hour ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Gee we didn't see that one coming. With the budget invested in this team DD should have made a move for a SP in the offseason.  Not just the guys he got in trades for cash.  

Yup.  This would get most GM's fired.

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3 hours ago, TonySoprano said:

Brian Matusz was given 12 starts in 2011, ERA 10.69, and only 49.2 innings in those starts.  Matusz broke Halladay's record for worst ERA with minimum 10 starts.

Yes, and the Orioles were smart enough to cut their losses and send him back to the minors.    But they've just kept throwing Tilly out there.

Honestly, it pains me to say these things.   I'm very fond of Tillman, a key contributor over the prior 5 years and a gutsy performer.    I can't blame Buck for feeling some loyalty and giving Tillman every chance to work out his problems.   But it's been too long now.

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7 hours ago, Frobby said:

You're crazy if you think Tillman is getting a guaranteed multi-year deal anywhere.    I'd offer him a low one-year guarantee with incentives, and perhaps an option that vests after a certain number of innings.    He's not getting more than that.    

If the consensus GM judgement is Chris is not healthy, he will get nothing from any team.   If he is felt to be healthy and that this year was a bad year in a career otherwise marked by well above average major league performance, I wager that some rebuilding teams (like the As for example or White Sox or Tigers) will offer him a two year low cost guaranteed deal in the hopes that he does a big time resurrection with them and then they have an extra year at a truly below market value that they could use to flip him as part of their rebuilding process.     If it is a one year deal that EVERY team wants to offer him, it will drive up the offer until some team says....ahhh, we will take the risk and offer him a two year deal.     But, his track record will not be unnoticed by all those other teams and I don't see how we will just be able to slip in with some low ball one year offer. 

 

We shall come back to this one this winter and see what happens.  

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16 hours ago, tntoriole said:

Not me.  And he won't sign a one year deal if healthy.  He will get a multi year deal from some team out there. 

I just cant see that happening.  One he says he is health is fine and if that is true...well this has been more than a bad regression.  Second, if he is still physically not right, well how long will he have to be out to prove he is worth money.

He is going to get a one year contract and it is likely to be small and heavily laced with incentives.  He is not getting $20 plus million dollars guaranteed until he proves he can pitch.  

I kinda hope he gets that chance here, but I gotta be honest.  If it was my call, I'd say no unless it was a minor league contract.  Sorry.

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7 minutes ago, foxfield said:

I just cant see that happening.  One he says he is health is fine and if that is true...well this has been more than a bad regression.  Second, if he is still physically not right, well how long will he have to be out to prove he is worth money.

He is going to get a one year contract and it is likely to be small and heavily laced with incentives.  He is not getting $20 plus million dollars guaranteed until he proves he can pitch.  

I kinda hope he gets that chance here, but I gotta be honest.  If it was my call, I'd say no unless it was a minor league contract.  Sorry.

Did I say he was getting 20 million plus?  Geez.  Refer to my other answer about this.   

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1 hour ago, tntoriole said:

Did I say he was getting 20 million plus?  Geez.  Refer to my other answer about this.   

Why would Tillman accept a multi year deal that was a cut in pay?  I think you are correct though if that is what he wants.  In fact if he will pitch 2 years for 10M id probably take that chance right now!

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