Cashner signing

[Enjoy Terror]

The stats Yovanni Gallardo had in 2015 are the same stats Cashner had in 2017. Like... identical. 

[eddie83]

2 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

I think he wants a ML contract and not MIL deal.

Sure. It sounds like there is mutual interest between the Orioles and him. Has to be over money as always. Not like either side slammed the door shut.  

[Redskins Rick]

Just now, eddie83 said:

Sure. It sounds like there is mutual interest between the Orioles and him. Has to be over money as always. Not like either side slammed the door shut.  

He did get permission to come to ST and throw with the rest of the guys, didn't he?

[clapdiddy]

1 minute ago, Enjoy Terror said:

The stats Yovanni Gallardo had in 2015 are the same stats Cashner had in 2017. Like... identical. 

Is Cashner hurt?

[Dark Helmet]

The Orioles still have $35m to possibly work with. What if they signed  Lynn and Cobb? Be a shocker, but it hasn't been a typical off-season. 

I'd still rather trade a Brach or Givens for McHugh.  Maybe sign one of Cobb/Lynn and trade for Corbin?

[Aristotelian]

4 minutes ago, theocean said:

I know this is totally ridiculous, but just for fun:

Cashner had a 4.6 WAR last year. Ubaldo had -1.3 WAR. So 5.9 additional WAR with this signing.

Manny had a 3.5 WAR last year - let's say he gets back to 6 WAR this year.

Trumbo has -.6 WAR, Davis has -.1 WAR - let's just say they put up 0 WAR each this year.

Hardy had -.5 WAR. Beckham had a 3.3 WAR - let's just say that change results in 2 WAR.

Miley had -.3 WAR, Tillman had -2.2 WAR - let's just say their replacements put up 0 WAR this year.

That's 14.1 additional WAR in 2018 than 2017. Or 89.1 wins.

Again, this is a totally ridiculous WAR exercise. But, even without another signing, it is NOT crazy the O's can compete for the Wild Card in 2018.

If you believe that 4.6 WAR is real and repeatable. Eye test disagrees but maybe Cashner has some kind of magic on balls in play.

[Enjoy Terror]

Just now, clapdiddy said:

Is Cashner hurt?

Cashner is perpetually hurt. I even suspect it wasn't him pitching for Texas.

[weams]

 

[weams]

2 minutes ago, clapdiddy said:

Is Cashner hurt?

No, far from it. 

[theocean]

Just now, Aristotelian said:

If you believe that 4.6 WAR is real and repeatable. Eye test disagrees but maybe Cashner has some kind of magic on balls in play.

I don't think he repeats that. But, I think he'll look like an ace compared to Tillman and Ubaldo last year. Lot of addition by subtraction for the O's in 2018.

[Dark Helmet]

24 minutes ago, Enjoy Terror said:

The stats Yovanni Gallardo had in 2015 are the same stats Cashner had in 2017. Like... identical. 

Did Gallardos fastball average 93mph?

[Redskins Rick]

Found this write up in a BlueJays pup:

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Cashner is one of several serviceable starters left waiting for a new home, and his market could heat up in a hurray if/when Darvish and/or Jake Arrieta sign somewhere. There’s a solid argument to be made that Cashner is the 5th best remaining rotation piece, with Alex Cobb and Lance Lynn still remaining available as well. The difference between Cashner and the other four might be how flexible his contract demands may be, as he’s in a slightly different position.

 

[SurhoffFTW]

what is his WAOR?

Wins above oriole replacement. 20 WOAR?

Edited February 15, 2018 by SurhoffFTW

[interloper]

Just now, clapdiddy said:

Is Cashner hurt?

Exactly.

Look, we should be thrilled with a 4.50 out of Cashner pitching in Camden Yards. But understand you're getting a guy who won't be agonizing to watch pitch, and you're getting a guy who throws an anchor into the rotation. Now you have two young guys with upside, a veteran with ML capability, and 2 rotation holes is infinitely easier to deal with than 3. 

[Enjoy Terror]

Just now, Dark Helmet said:

Did Gallardos fastball average 93mph?

What difference does it make if your K rate is the same.