Cashner signing

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Redskins Rick said:

My bad, 31, still young than Colon.

Was a Frank Robinson reference.

[eddie83]

6 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

Sign Tilly to a MIL deal and let him complete against the Rule 5 guys for the last 2 slots.

For what it is worth I heard that a member of the staff saw Tillman throw about 3 weeks ago and said he looked good.

Of course looked good is a pretty generic response. 

Have to think it is all about guaranteed money with Chris. Any team would give him a MiL deal.  

[TradeAngelos]

Just now, jabba72 said:

$8M/2 years with a vesting option is definitely a fair signing for a #3.

Yeah considering #3's get double that. 

Our 8th inning setup guy gets 8m. '

This is highway robbery. 

[MatthewW]

Pitcher A projections:

117 IP   5.48 K/9   2.78 BB/9   5.33 xFIP

Pitcher B projections:

138 IP.  5.75 K/9   3.61 BB/9   5.23 xFIP

 

[interloper]

Seems like no one wanted him past a year, I'm guessing.

[jabba72]

Just now, TradeAngelos said:

Yeah considering #3's get double that. 

Our 8th inning setup guy gets 8m. '

This is highway robbery. 

Yeah im a little surprised some other teams weren't all over that. 

[MatthewW]

Just now, MatthewW said:

Pitcher A projections:

117 IP   5.48 K/9   2.78 BB/9   5.33 xFIP

Pitcher B projections:

138 IP.  5.75 K/9   3.61 BB/9   5.23 xFIP

 

Any guesses?

[Redskins Rick]

4 minutes ago, jabba72 said:

Except that he's only thrown 180 innings in a season once. And he turns 32 soon. His durability is a question, but I'll gladly take him at this point. He is a stud compared to most of our staff. 

175 is pretty damn close to 180.

He threw 166 last season, and 28 GS.

No reason, to expect less than that here.

 

[interloper]

I know it was flukey, but this is just funny.. the last 4.6 WAR put up by an Orioles pitcher was Guthrie in 2010.

[wildcard]

Very creative deal by Dan.   I though the O's have to offer 13m per year to get Cashner to pitch in Camden Yards.   He said 1/13m.  Dan did better than that.  He covered himself in case Cashner is bad.   

[Frobby]

5 minutes ago, MDtransplant757 said:

Now to sign Cobb or Lynn

I was just re-reading all my posts about Cashner over the last 2 years (the O’s reportedly had interest in trading for him last winter, so there were threads then).   My posts have overwhelmingly been negative on the guy, but I think my favorite was:  “If Cashner is the best pitcher we sign this winter, we might as well not bother.”    So, I agree with you; we got Cashner pretty cheap, and there’s no reason we can’t afford to go get someone better.    The budget should allow it.  

[theocean]

I know this is totally ridiculous, but just for fun:

Cashner had a 4.6 WAR last year. Ubaldo had -1.3 WAR. So 5.9 additional WAR with this signing.

Manny had a 3.5 WAR last year - let's say he gets back to 6 WAR this year.

Trumbo has -.6 WAR, Davis has -.1 WAR - let's just say they put up 0 WAR each this year.

Hardy had -.5 WAR. Beckham had a 3.3 WAR - let's just say that change results in 2 WAR.

Miley had -.3 WAR, Tillman had -2.2 WAR - let's just say their replacements put up 0 WAR this year.

That's 14.1 additional WAR in 2018 than 2017. Or 89.1 wins.

Again, this is a totally ridiculous WAR exercise. But, even without another signing, it is NOT crazy the O's can compete for the Wild Card in 2018.

[Redskins Rick]

3 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

For what it is worth I heard that a member of the staff saw Tillman throw about 3 weeks ago and said he looked good.

Of course looked good is a pretty generic response. 

Have to think it is all about guaranteed money with Chris. Any team would give him a MiL deal.  

I think he wants a ML contract and not MIL deal.

[jabba72]

Just now, theocean said:

I know this is totally ridiculous, but just for fun:

Cashner had a 4.6 WAR last year. Ubaldo had -1.3 WAR. So 5.9 additional WAR with this signing.

Manny had a 3.5 WAR last year - let's say he gets back to 6 WAR this year.

Trumbo has -.6 WAR, Davis has -.1 WAR - let's just say they put up 0 WAR each this year.

Hardy had -.5 WAR. Beckham had a 3.3 WAR - let's just say that change results in 2 WAR.

Miley had -.3 WAR, Tillman had -2.2 WAR - let's just say their replacements put up 0 WAR this year.

That's 14.1 additional WAR in 2018 than 2017. Or 89.1 wins.

Again, this is a totally ridiculous WAR exercise. But, even without another signing, it is NOT crazy the O's can compete for the Wild Card in 2018.

Assuming they get another SP yeah I can see 89 wins. Davis and Trumbo still need to rebound. 

[Redskins Rick]

Where is Wildcard????

I wonder where the payroll is sitting at now???