Anderson vs. Jones

[NCRaven]

Who was the better Oriole?

Jones has a large power and BA advantage.  But, Brady has large advantages in Doubles, SB, OBP (due to a huge advantage in walks); and a small advantage in OPS (.777 vs. .787).  

I think that Brady was the better defender, too.

Advantgage Anderson?

[Frobby]

It’s very close.   Anderson was worth 35.0 rWAR, 32.6 fWAR.  Jones has been worth 31.6 rWAR, 28.6 fWAR and he’s not done playing.    Anderson had a 109 OPS+, Jones 108.    Anderson had a .350 wOBA, 111 wRC+; Jones has a .335 wOBA, 107 wRC+.   The advanced metrics give Jones the advantage in CF; Brady’s better position was LF, where he was outstanding.   

I’d call it a dead heat, but Jones might pull ahead if he can stay productive for several more years. I preferred Brady’s offensive game to Adam’s, because of his high OBP and base stealing skills.    Jones has the power edge, but the at bats he gives away drive me nuts.

[MDtransplant757]

Jones has had the better bat overall IMO. Defense, it's a coin flip. You could break both down, but I would pick jones. 

[Moose Milligan]

I'll take Brady's all around game, including the OBP skills and stolen bases.  

[Tx Oriole]

10 minutes ago, MDtransplant757 said:

Jones has had the better bat overall IMO. Defense, it's a coin flip. You could break both down, but I would pick jones. 

I agree with you.

[VaBird1]

1 hour ago, NCRaven said:

Who was the better Oriole?

Jones has a large power and BA advantage.  But, Brady has large advantages in Doubles, SB, OBP (due to a huge advantage in walks); and a small advantage in OPS (.777 vs. .787).  

I think that Brady was the better defender, too.

Advantgage Anderson?

I can’t shake the memory of Brady hitting .230 when he was young.  Maybe not fair, but I can’t.

[Emory Eagle]

A clip of a Brady Anderson AB briefly appears in an episode of Seinfeld (S3 Ep 21 "The Letter") in that scene where Elaine refuses to take her Os hat off in Yankee Stadium, so I think that may give him the edge.

[foxfield]

2 hours ago, Emory Eagle said:

A clip of a Brady Anderson AB briefly appears in an episode of Seinfeld (S3 Ep 21 "The Letter") in that scene where Elaine refuses to take her Os hat off in Yankee Stadium, so I think that may give him the edge.

Brady struck out to end the game and Cal Ripken's career....AND joined Buck in wanting Davis...(In fairness, that was also the offseason AJ went to visit with ownership.  So yeah, still a toss up!  

[survivedc]

Question being "who was the better Oriole" and not "better player" I think I'm inclined to say Jones. He has been the face of the franchise, pretty much since he arrived and has represented his team very well while doing it. Stats and player value being as close as they are, I give the edge to the team leader.

[DirtyBird]

Wasn’t Brady on PED’s?

[BarclaySouthway]

6 hours ago, Frobby said:

It’s very close.   Anderson was worth 35.0 rWAR, 32.6 fWAR.  Jones has been worth 31.6 rWAR, 28.6 fWAR and he’s not done playing.    Anderson had a 109 OPS+, Jones 108.    Anderson had a .350 wOBA, 111 wRC+; Jones has a .335 wOBA, 107 wRC+.   The advanced metrics give Jones the advantage in CF; Brady’s better position was LF, where he was outstanding.   

I’d call it a dead heat, but Jones might pull ahead if he can stay productive for several more years. I preferred Brady’s offensive game to Adam’s, because of his high OBP and base stealing skills.    Jones has the power edge, but the at bats he gives away drive me nuts.

I don't care what the metrics say,  Brady was a better center fielder than Jones.  Far superior range.  Jones has a better arm, but I think range is more important as long as your arm is more or less average, which Brady's was. 

Brady gets dinged for his obvious PED use. Jones gets dinged for low and away sliders and his utterly atrocious performance in the post season.  SSS I know, but it's really bad.  (Brady was good in the playoffs.)  I'd give the nod to Brady right now.  But it's close enough that Jones would edge ahead if he puts up another 2.5-ish WAR season this year, his flaws notwithstanding. 

[mcneck]

Jones.. More consistant

[BarclaySouthway]

4 hours ago, Emory Eagle said:

A clip of a Brady Anderson AB briefly appears in an episode of Seinfeld (S3 Ep 21 "The Letter") in that scene where Elaine refuses to take her Os hat off in Yankee Stadium, so I think that may give him the edge.

If I recall, he clearly beats one into the dirt on the swing, but it results in a foul ball behind the dugout!

[Moshagge3]

5 hours ago, Emory Eagle said:

A clip of a Brady Anderson AB briefly appears in an episode of Seinfeld (S3 Ep 21 "The Letter") in that scene where Elaine refuses to take her Os hat off in Yankee Stadium, so I think that may give him the edge.

It always bothered me that Elaine still appears to be rooting for the Yankees. She is clapping when the Yankee fans clap and she makes a disappointed face when an Oriole gets a hit.

[LookitsPuck]

Brady Anderson's 8 year peak (1992-2000): .270/.378/.465 .843 OPS, 120 OPS+. 

Adam Jones's 8 year peak (2009-2016): .279/.320/.469 .788 OPS, 112 OPS+

Brady Anderson's total dWAR: -3.8

Adam Jones's total dWAR: 1.5

Brady Anderson's total WAR: 35

Adam Jones's total WAR: 31.6

I think Adam Jones will meet or exceed Brady's total WAR. But it'll be close.

All in all, I think I appeciate Brady's total game more than Adam's. But I still dig both in general.