O's trade International Signing Bonus Slots to Blue Jays for OF Dwight Smith Jr

[Philip]

8 minutes ago, ArtVanDelay said:

That's exactly what it does. 

OK you’re gonna have to explain that. If Nate was a good leftfielder despite having a minus 3DWAR because of the positional adjustment, it Only makes senseTo even have a positional adjustment if you are comparing one position with a different position. So you’re going to have to clarify that please.

[atomic]

14 minutes ago, Philip said:

OK you’re gonna have to explain that. If Nate was a good leftfielder despite having a minus 3DWAR because of the positional adjustment, it Only makes senseTo even have a positional adjustment if you are comparing one position with a different position. So you’re going to have to clarify that please.

The way they calculate DWAR doesn't make sense and isn't useful.  That is why you can't add DWAR to OWAR and get total WAR. 

[DrungoHazewood]

56 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

But a lot of errors, does tend to tell you they dont have any defensive ability.

I wouldn't necessarily say that.  Or the converse - lots of players who are very sure-handed have limited range.

Take a single example... 2018 shortstops.  By Fangraphs there were 22 qualifiers.  

Andrelton Simmons was 1st in defensive runs saved, 5th in fielding percentage.
Francisco Lindor was 2nd and 14th.
Marcus Seimien was 3rd and 17th.
Jose Iglesias was 4th and 6th.
Paul DeJong was 5th and 16th.

Didi Gregorius only made six errors all season, led the league with a .987 fielding percentage, but was 9th in runs saved.  Manny was middle of the pack with 12 errors, but 22nd in runs saved.

[DrungoHazewood]

3 hours ago, Frobby said:

I see your point, but I’m going to need to see him perform well for at least another month or two before I get over his MiL numbers. We’re talking 236 major league PA vs. 3105 MiL PA.

Dwight Smith has 132 PAs with the Orioles and he's hit .298/.348/.512.  

In his first 133 PAs with the Orioles David Newhan hit .418/.466/.639.  For the rest of his MLB career he OPS'd about .650.

[Tony-OH]

3 hours ago, Moose Milligan said:

The point was that he's outperformed his minor league stats for a good chunk of plate appearances now.  It's getting to a point where it shouldn't be ignored.

He really has outperformed his AAA numbers as well as his statcast info. Saying that, I like his approach to hitting to all fields. Who knows, maybe he's one the few guys that performs better in the big leagues than in the minors?

He now has 236 productive PAs in the major leagues. It's certainly notable at this point.

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/dwight-smith-jr-596105?stats=career-r-hitting-mlb

[Frobby]

9 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Dwight Smith has 132 PAs with the Orioles and he's hit .298/.348/.512.  

In his first 133 PAs with the Orioles David Newhan hit .418/.466/.639.  For the rest of his MLB career he OPS'd about .650.

What makes Smith’s case a bit different is that he did well in his two prior stints with the Blue Jays. I still think the Newhan case is a good object lesson, but will be interested to see if Smith falls to Earth in a similar fashion or continues defying gravity.   

[BohKnowsBmore]

Maybe this was Toronto's way of trying to make peace after the Dan Duquette matter from years ago.

[TheDeau52]

9 minutes ago, BohKnowsBmore said:

Maybe this was Toronto's way of trying to make peace after the Dan Duquette matter from years ago.

And for that fan who threw a beer at Kim during the playoffs.

[atomic]

15 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

He really has outperformed his AAA numbers as well as his statcast info. Saying that, I like his approach to hitting to all fields. Who knows, maybe he's one the few guys that performs better in the big leagues than in the minors?

He now has 236 productive PAs in the major leagues. It's certainly notable at this point.

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/dwight-smith-jr-596105?stats=career-r-hitting-mlb

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31 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

I wouldn't necessarily say that.  Or the converse - lots of players who are very sure-handed have limited range.

Take a single example... 2018 shortstops.  By Fangraphs there were 22 qualifiers.  

Andrelton Simmons was 1st in defensive runs saved, 5th in fielding percentage.
Francisco Lindor was 2nd and 14th.
Marcus Seimien was 3rd and 17th.
Jose Iglesias was 4th and 6th.
Paul DeJong was 5th and 16th.

Didi Gregorius only made six errors all season, led the league with a .987 fielding percentage, but was 9th in runs saved.  Manny was middle of the pack with 12 errors, but 22nd in runs saved.

Mancini only made one error in the outfield last year.   As long as you don't get near the ball in the outfield they aren't going to give you an error. Plus errors are totally subjective. 

[DrungoHazewood]

33 minutes ago, atomic said:

Mancini only made one error in the outfield last year.   As long as you don't get near the ball in the outfield they aren't going to give you an error. Plus errors are totally subjective. 

Mostly subjective, but yea.  My go-to example is Ken Singleton.  In 1981 at the age of 34 he was already starting to transition to being a nearly full-time DH.  By modern figuring he was a -9 RFer in 71 games, which is terrible.  He fielded 1.000.  He caught every single ball that was hit right at him, and he managed to not throw a ball away all year.

[OFFNY]

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JOHN DWIGHT SMITH, JR.

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