Would you offer Austin Hays the Scott Kingery deal?

[Natty]

Right now I don't see ownership spending much money. Maybe when we finish paying Davis...In 2037. 

[Frobby]

3 minutes ago, Natty said:

LOL. Here's Manny's numbers so far in ST...

.148

.179

.222

Nobody cares about Manny’s spring training numbers.   Well, maybe you.

[Natty]

1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

Are we going with the pressure of the big contract is too much for him or that he missed part of spring training?

Or the Davis effect got him?

[Natty]

1 minute ago, Frobby said:

Nobody cares about Manny’s spring training numbers.   Well, maybe you.

Just answering someone inquiry. 

[Number5]

2 hours ago, waroriole said:

Is there a size requirement for 2B? Brian Roberts and Altuve are asking. 

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, Number5 said:

You have to admit he had a short career in the game.

[Number5]

2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

You have to admit he had a short career in the game.

So to speak.  

[LookinUp]

I"m not against it in concept, but don't believe Hays is the guy you do it for, at least not right now.

I get that he stood out in spring training, but he's coming off a bad year and hot streaks happen all the time in baseball, especially in spring training, and I'm not sure his OBP profile is what we're going to want long term if he isn't a really dynamic hitter. I think of it more as the Evan Longoria treatment than the Scott Kingery treatment. If you have a unique talent, you absolutely try to lock him up as early as possible. I really like Hays, but I still have to think he has a fair chance of busting too, so I'm not going there. Same with Diaz. I like him, but he may not have the power stroke to be the threat we all hope. 

So I guess what I'm saying is I'm all for it, but for better prospects. 

One last thing, the best dealers in the world buy low and sell high. If the O's see a top 20 type of prospect, they should do it. I just get the sense that Hays' probabilities are too low to make that plunge.

 

[Can_of_corn]

4 minutes ago, LookinUp said:

I"m not against it in concept, but don't believe Hays is the guy you do it for, at least not right now.

I get that he stood out in spring training, but he's coming off a bad year and hot streaks happen all the time in baseball, especially in spring training, and I'm not sure his OBP profile is what we're going to want long term if he isn't a really dynamic hitter. I think of it more as the Evan Longoria treatment than the Scott Kingery treatment. If you have a unique talent, you absolutely try to lock him up as early as possible. I really like Hays, but I still have to think he has a fair chance of busting too, so I'm not going there. Same with Diaz. I like him, but he may not have the power stroke to be the threat we all hope. 

So I guess what I'm saying is I'm all for it, but for better prospects. 

One last thing, the best dealers in the world buy low and sell high. If the O's see a top 20 type of prospect, they should do it. I just get the sense that Hays' probabilities are too low to make that plunge.

 

I get what you are saying but at this level of compensation the player doesn't have to be all that skilled to be worth it.  As I said earlier this is pretty much the money Schoop has made over the same period of time.

[Luke-OH]

7 minutes ago, LookinUp said:

I"m not against it in concept, but don't believe Hays is the guy you do it for, at least not right now.

I get that he stood out in spring training, but he's coming off a bad year and hot streaks happen all the time in baseball, especially in spring training, and I'm not sure his OBP profile is what we're going to want long term if he isn't a really dynamic hitter. I think of it more as the Evan Longoria treatment than the Scott Kingery treatment. If you have a unique talent, you absolutely try to lock him up as early as possible. I really like Hays, but I still have to think he has a fair chance of busting too, so I'm not going there. Same with Diaz. I like him, but he may not have the power stroke to be the threat we all hope. 

So I guess what I'm saying is I'm all for it, but for better prospects. 

One last thing, the best dealers in the world buy low and sell high. If the O's see a top 20 type of prospect, they should do it. I just get the sense that Hays' probabilities are too low to make that plunge.

 

I agree, I think there is a little too much risk right now. If Hays goes to Norfolk and is looking like 2017 Hays mid-season, then I'd give him this deal and promote him. 

[wildbillhiccup]

1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

This seemingly conflicts with your No vote.

I don't even remember voting. If I did it was an inadvertent no. 

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

Too much of gamble right now, let’s see what Hays does by the all star break.

[LookinUp]

4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I get what you are saying but at this level of compensation the player doesn't have to be all that skilled to be worth it.  As I said earlier this is pretty much the money Schoop has made over the same period of time.

Reasonable people can probably disagree on this one. The money isn't huge. His upside is pretty substantial. Elias et al are in a much better position to make that determination though.

Another way of thinking about this is to put Hays in a Red Sox uniform and say he turns into what you think is his most likely FV. Does he crack their World Series starting lineup? I'm not saying he doesn't. I'm just not sure he does. Is that the guy we want to lock up early?

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

Too much of gamble right now, let’s see what Hays does by the all star break.

In a world where Tillman and Rasmus get 3M a year I don't see where 4M a year for Hays is too much of a gamble.

[Camden_yardbird]

Hell, the Pirates ate the Jose tabata deal and were still competitive.  Almost zero risk if you believe in ththe player and they sign a deal like that.