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2 hours ago, Ripken said:

They both stink and we just drafted 37 outfielders.  Stewart at least has a small chance to stick around as a LH bench guy.

no he doesn’t, at least he certainly hasn’t shown that so far. I don’t know when the clock strikes midnight on a guy like this, but for me it was a couple of hours ago.

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That's not the ONLY thing Stewart has on McKenna. Season OPS:  Stewart .688, McKenna .615 Career MLB OPS:  Stewart .730, McKenna .615 Career minor league OPS:  Stewart .790, McKenna .74

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DJ Stewart not good enough defensively to be a 4th OF, doesn't have the bat for DH or corner OF for that matter.  DJ Stewart, you're the weakest link, goodbye!

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6 minutes ago, Philip said:

I don’t disagree with anything you said, but my point wasn’t that Stewart hits marginally better than McKenna. I don’t think I mentioned offense at all. The point is that McKenna offers more than Stewart. I certainly agree that he should have(had) a long look, Because of his draft pick Pedegree: however there comes a time when you’ve had enough of a look. Do you think he would still be here if he were a fifth round pick? Maybe, but I don’t think so. First round picks have more invested in them and therefore get a longer leash. But Stewart doesn’t hit well or defend well. At least with McKenna, you’re getting 50% of the equation.

Mckenna is valuable on defense. He’s not a starter but he is a late inning defensive replacement.

I’m not pushing any particular agenda or narrative. As I’ve made clear, I want all of the prospects( even the marginal ones) to get looks, Especially with a team like this. Also, it is logical, and simple human nature, that a higher draft pick is going to get a longer look. But once a player has shown who he is, there’s no argument against moving on.

It is quite possible that McKenna has also shown who he is, But who he is still has value to this club now. He might not be worthwhile when the team is winning 85 to 90 games, but he certainly is right now.

I would argue based on the difference in OPS this year that McKenna has more value than Stewart because he can play defense and run the bases well. Stewart has to hit well at a minimum to have any value because that's his entire value prop as a baseball player. 

More than likely Stewart's time is up after this season, but if there's an opening at 1B/DH maybe he gets one more chance next spring training. 

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6 minutes ago, Philip said:

no he doesn’t, at least he certainly hasn’t shown that so far. I don’t know when the clock strikes midnight on a guy like this, but for me it was a couple of hours ago.

He was OK in 2020 and 2018.   I’d rather have a .615 OPS McKenna than a .688 Stewart.   But we’ll see if Stewart can get his offensive act together.  At .750 it becomes a close contest, and Stewart was at .768 before this season, so it remains possible he’ll rebound.  

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6 hours ago, Philip said:

I came here to ask why McKenna  was just option instead of Stewart. McKenna is a valuable defensive replacement, even if he doesn’t hit any better than you or I. But “valuable defensive replacement“ has meaning. The only thing Stewart has on his side of the ledger is that he’s a first round pick, and that is very weak sauce.

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1 hour ago, sportsfan8703 said:

You can literally make an argument for everyone that hits the waiver wire that we should claim. I’m pretty sure of all of our DFAs this year only Sisco got claimed. 

And Armstrong? Nonetheless your point is valid and I doubt we have anyone of interest to anyone except our big three and maybe Urias.

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6 minutes ago, Philip said:

And Armstrong? Nonetheless your point is valid and I doubt we have anyone of interest to anyone except our big three and maybe Urias.

Armstrong was a trade. 
 

Jay Flaa, Chance Sisco, Connor Greene, Shaun Anderson, Brandon Waddell, and Rio Ruiz were all claimed this season by other teams once DFA’ed.

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15 minutes ago, Legend_Of_Joey said:

Armstrong was a trade. 
 

Jay Flaa, Chance Sisco, Connor Greene, Shaun Anderson, Brandon Waddell, and Rio Ruiz were all claimed this season by other teams once DFA’ed.

I didn’t even know Greene was gone. Do you know how many of those guys went on the new teams’ active roster?

And I don’t remember Brandon Waddell at all

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34 minutes ago, Philip said:

I didn’t even know Greene was gone. Do you know how many of those guys went on the new teams’ active roster?

And I don’t remember Brandon Waddell at all

I’ll check tomorrow. I know Sisco was sent to AAA right away and so was Flaa, who was eventually called up. I’m not sure on Ruiz and everyone else I think was optioned down, then brought up at various times (like the Orioles have done.)

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24 minutes ago, Legend_Of_Joey said:

I’ll check tomorrow. I know Sisco was sent to AAA right away and so was Flaa, who was eventually called up. I’m not sure on Ruiz and everyone else I think was optioned down, then brought up at various times (like the Orioles have done.)

Still added to the 40-man. We could have optioned him as well.

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1 hour ago, Legend_Of_Joey said:

Armstrong was a trade. 
 

Jay Flaa, Chance Sisco, Connor Greene, Shaun Anderson, Brandon Waddell, and Rio Ruiz were all claimed this season by other teams once DFA’ed.

Evan Phillips wound up in Tampa, not sure if they claimed him on waivers or how he got there.  He pitched one game for them, 3 innings, then they waived him and the Dodgers DID claim him on waivers from Tampa.

And Shawn Armstrong is on the Rays.  Called up today.

Wade LeBlanc went to St Louis and joined their rotation until getting hurt and winding up on the IL.

We're a horrible team but there sure does seem to be a lot of interest in our rejects.

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25 minutes ago, SteveA said:

Evan Phillips wound up in Tampa, not sure if they claimed him on waivers or how he got there.  He pitched one game for them, 3 innings, then they waived him and the Dodgers DID claim him on waivers from Tampa.

And Shawn Armstrong is on the Rays.  Called up today.

Wade LeBlanc went to St Louis and joined their rotation until getting hurt and winding up on the IL.

We're a horrible team but there sure does seem to be a lot of interest in our rejects.

Phillips was released about a month ago by Baltimore.

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31 minutes ago, BohKnowsBmore said:

Right. My point was more that them adding senidng him to AAA doesn't discount that he was indeed claimed.

I’m not sure I get what you meant.

Baltimore did option him. Then they DFA’ed him and he was claimed. Phillip asked who was on teams active rosters and I mentioned Sisco was in AAA and where some other players that were claimed went. It didn’t discount the fact he was claimed. He was optioned and then removed from the 40 for a spot. He just didn’t clear.

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