Rutschman vs Witt

[Frobby]

45 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Witt needs to focus on his defense.  Thats really holding down his WAR numbers.

 

BTW, Fangraphs has Witt at a 2.1 WAR.  The fangraphs WAR is the superior WAR to look at.

 

Why?   I look at rWAR first, just because BB-ref has a lot of features I like and is easier to read.  But I don’t think you can flatly say whether rWAR is better than fWAR or vice versa.   They both have strengths and weaknesses, and it depends on whether you are looking at infielders, outfielders, catchers or pitchers.   For an infielder like Witt, the main difference is how they evaluate SS/3B defense, and I couldn’t really say which method I think is better.  

[RZNJ]

28 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I'm rooting for top two.

Karma.

 

29 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I'm rooting for top two.

Karma.

You'd rather see Elias punished for some perceived slight (Rutschmann was injured so he wouldn't have started the season in the ML either way) than see something that is better for the long term interests of "YOUR" team.   You are a strange bird.  Maybe not an Oriole.

[nvpacchi]

By Fangraph's WAR among batters with 200 PAs, Rutschman is 11th in WAR per PA - just anecdotal but quite the stat for him!

To me everything comes down to the plate discipline.  Rutschman has the ability to put up Juan Soto like walk rates, and Witt can barely get his OBP over .300. He already looks to be favored at 3B in KC too.

If Witt can improve that plate discipline it certainly makes the battle closer, but Adley doesn't have any weaknesses in his game right now and that's why I'd opt for him.

[DrungoHazewood]

10 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Why?   I look at rWAR first, just because BB-ref has a lot of features I like and is easier to read.  But I don’t think you can flatly say whether rWAR is better than fWAR or vice versa.   They both have strengths and weaknesses, and it depends on whether you are looking at infielders, outfielders, catchers or pitchers.   For an infielder like Witt, the main difference is how they evaluate SS/3B defense, and I couldn’t really say which method I think is better.  

Fangraphs uses OAA for defense, which I think is objectively better than DRS/TZ. So trust fWAR for non-pitchers more.

For pitchers it's more of a matter of taste.

[Frobby]

8 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Why?   I look at rWAR first, just because BB-ref has a lot of features I like and is easier to read.  But I don’t think you can flatly say whether rWAR is better than fWAR or vice versa.   They both have strengths and weaknesses, and it depends on whether you are looking at infielders, outfielders, catchers or pitchers.   For an infielder like Witt, the main difference is how they evaluate SS/3B defense, and I couldn’t really say which method I think is better.  

By the way, looking at Witt’s traditional defensive stats compared to his teammates who have played SS/3B, I’m inclined to think his defense is pretty bad.  At SS, his fielding percentage is objectively quite bad (.953), but also his range factor and DP rate is well below that of teammate Nicky Lopez and two others who’ve started games at SS.  At 3B, his fielding percentage (.975) is okay but again his range factor and DP rate are below his teammates.   

[Sports Guy]

14 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Why?   I look at rWAR first, just because BB-ref has a lot of features I like and is easier to read.  But I don’t think you can flatly say whether rWAR is better than fWAR or vice versa.   They both have strengths and weaknesses, and it depends on whether you are looking at infielders, outfielders, catchers or pitchers.   For an infielder like Witt, the main difference is how they evaluate SS/3B defense, and I couldn’t really say which method I think is better.  

FG uses better defensive stats and accounts for park effects better.

[Can_of_corn]

12 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

 

You'd rather see Elias punished for some perceived slight (Rutschmann was injured so he wouldn't have started the season in the ML either way) than see something that is better for the long term interests of "YOUR" team.   You are a strange bird.  Maybe not an Oriole.

Should have been up last year.

As for your other comment you are not qualified to judge my fandom.

[deward]

1 hour ago, Moose Milligan said:

Bowden in the Athletic had Julio Rodriguez taking ROY with Witt 2nd over Adley in his column the other day.

Bowden's "analysis" is barely worth reading

[Moose Milligan]

1 minute ago, deward said:

Bowden's "analysis" is barely worth reading

Yeah.  Every once in awhile I read one of his articles and think it's decent, but it's usually followed by a few more with terrible takes such as this one.

[Moose Milligan]

1 hour ago, Frobby said:

Why?   I look at rWAR first, just because BB-ref has a lot of features I like and is easier to read.  But I don’t think you can flatly say whether rWAR is better than fWAR or vice versa.   They both have strengths and weaknesses, and it depends on whether you are looking at infielders, outfielders, catchers or pitchers.   For an infielder like Witt, the main difference is how they evaluate SS/3B defense, and I couldn’t really say which method I think is better.  

I also look at rWAR first for these reasons.  fangraphs site is a chore.  

[Dunk35]

52 minutes ago, nvpacchi said:

By Fangraph's WAR among batters with 200 PAs, Rutschman is 11th in WAR per PA - just anecdotal but quite the stat for him!

To me everything comes down to the plate discipline.  Rutschman has the ability to put up Juan Soto like walk rates, and Witt can barely get his OBP over .300. He already looks to be favored at 3B in KC too.

If Witt can improve that plate discipline it certainly makes the battle closer, but Adley doesn't have any weaknesses in his game right now and that's why I'd opt for him.

Adley definitely has a weakness against LHP that he will need to work on in the offseason but outside of that, yeah he's pretty freakin good. 

[RZNJ]

1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

Should have been up last year.

As for your other comment you are not qualified to judge my fandom.

Negative rep and a lecture?   Thank you.    Did Elias kick your dog or screw your wife?   Or both?

[sportsfan8703]

3 hours ago, MarCakes21 said:

Fangraphs WAR (FIP Based/RA-9 WAR)

Adley: 4.0/4.0

Pena: 2.4/2.4

Witt: 2.1/2.1

Rodriguez: 4.2/4.2

Kirby: 2.7/2.0

Gilbert: 2.4/3.0

Kwan: 2.8/2.8

Felix Bautista: 1.4/2.4

 

It'll be a tight race.  I believe that Julio is likely the clear cut favorite based on games played, but several could have a chance at second over Adley in voting for the same reason, and that their team mike make the playoffs if the O's don't.

Threw in Bautista for fun too

 

If we make the playoffs then we will have more hype.  I think we could see Adley, Rodriguez, and Bautista.  Bautista would net us a draft pick.  

[Sports Guy]

https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3432004/he-may-be-only-88-games-into-his-career-but-adley-rutschman-is-the-best-catcher-in-baseball?fbclid=IwAR1JWp2Gb6sBHnIX-egLaVak8HTaTA4GQ008xLECeUOoY2e_Fwd6npBD6iw

[Can_of_corn]

I think the easier, much easier, comparison is going to be between Witt and Henderson.