Orioles sign Adam Frazier

[clapdiddy]

23 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

But if you are on a budget why are you spending 8M for that?

I cannot disagree with this.   This is puzzling.

[maybenxtyr]

I'm not hating this because it's normal for some type of veteran signings on any given team. What I don't like about this is if it keeps Westburg down next year, or really for any part of the season.

 

 

[eddie83]

Just now, DrinkinWithFermi said:

I would have rather just stuck with Vavra and put this $8 million dollars towards an actual need, or at least someone who makes the team meaningfully better, but getting meaningfully better does not appear to be much of a priority this offseason.

When playing well Frazier is a high OBP guy and much better fielder than Vavra. More versatile.
 

Vavra can still be on the team as a utility type.  

[Daddy-O's]

Good lord, this makes no sense what so ever. 

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25 minutes ago, oriolediehard said:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/fraziad01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=&utm_medium=referral

He hit over .300 in 2021 so who knows he may be good?

I do know, he's not. This makes no sense unless a deal is coming. 

[jamalshw]

I don't hate this move. I don't love it either. It's fine. I like Frazier as a player with the Pirates and if he can return to that form he'll be a solid player, but that is a question. He's mostly depth right? I can see him starting the year at 2B, but he's also not a guy that's going to block someone like Westburg or Ortiz. He can also get some playing time in the OF and allow them to play Hays a bit less. 

Obviously he's a very similar player to Vavra. So this may be more of an indication on the Orioles' thoughts on Vavra, particularly him playing 2B. I really want to see what happens next. This feels very much like a precursor to moving Urias or Mateo (or I guess Hays).  

[interloper]

Off-season isn't over, but so far it looks like they're running it back with Fancy Odor and Fancy Lyles. 

Add in Wacha and that's this year's main upgrade (other than full season Adley/Gunnar, and Grayson). 

Not suuuper inspiring. But also doesn't really hurt you anywhere. Again, I tend to think this is the FO getting another look at the squad, holding their cards, and then swinging deals at the deadline for a playoff push. 

Edited December 15, 2022 by interloper

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24 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

 

We had one and Odor was great in the club house and truth be told, was far more valuable for far less money. 

[DrinkinWithFermi]

1 minute ago, eddie83 said:

When playing well Frazier is a high OBP guy 

 

There's the rub- he hasn't played well for the last 3 years with the exception of the first half of 2021.

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, interloper said:

Off-season isn't over, but so far it looks like they're running it back with Fancy Odor and Fancy Lyles. 

Add in Wacha and that's this year's main upgrade (other than full season Adley/Gunnar, and Grayson). 

Not suuuper inspiring. But also doesn't really hurt you anywhere. Again, I tend to think this is the FO getting another look at the squad, holding their cards, and then swinging deals at the deadline for a playoff push. 

Yep.

And I think it is likely they end up wasting a year of Adley and Gunnar.

 

[Biggin]

Santander and Urias to Miami for Lopez?

Miami loves the hispanic players and is looking for more offense. 

[interloper]

Just now, E-D-D-I-E said:

We had one and Odor was great in the club house and truth be told, was far more valuable for far less money. 

All due to respect to Odor, who was fun, Frazier is unquestionably the better player. Just based on versatility alone, it's a better use of a roster spot. 

 

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22 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

I love how Roch states it as common knowledge we were looking for a 2B. Since when has Roch or anyone from the Orioles mentioned anything about a 2B???

Especially when the roster had one last year...

He knows things 7 minutes before we do.

[maybenxtyr]

Are we still in the, "maybe they see something they can fix", or "they can flip him at the deadline" part of the rebuild?

[clapdiddy]

1 minute ago, E-D-D-I-E said:

We had one and Odor was great in the club house and truth be told, was far more valuable for far less money. 

Great in the clubhouse?  Sure.  Far less money...yup.   More valuable?  Nope.