Ohtani Rental?

[Fan4Life]

4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Let's say two games.

Two games could easily be the difference in a division title instead of a wild card, or home field advantage in the wild card round (all three games).  I know I'd much rather the O's play three at home over three at the Trop for instance.

There is potential value in even incremental improvement.

Is this sufficient enough to send a top 5 prospect along with whatever else it takes?

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Fan4Life said:

Is this sufficient enough to send a top 5 prospect along with whatever else it takes?

To some it is and to some it isn't.

My guess it won't be for Elias.

I think adding him makes the O's the favorite to get to the WS from the AL.  (Would be pretty sweet if they could avoid the Astros since they've done very well against Ohtani)

[Sanity Check]

What if........

Considering the blister, if we acquired Ohtani he would become our everyday DH and also the high leverage reliever when Bautista and Cano are not available?  Would he really have to be a starter for us?  I imagine he could be dominant in one to three inning stints every 2 or three days.

[Just Regular]

6 minutes ago, HakunaSakata said:

Closer is one of the most volatile (and replacable) position in baseball. You're really going to hinge on your argument on us going all in this season on taking advantage of our closer's window for success? Even in playing devil's advocate that seems pretty ludicrous to me. 

Not 2023 Felix Bautista level performance.    I hope its the beginning of an Andrew Miller like run, but I believe it is fairly likely this is his career year.     Injuries can come anytime in AUG or SEP too, but all you can control is assessing your chances 8/1.

I agree with you in principle that almost all relievers are replacable.      Having the best of the best relievers is I believe a useful separator, though it is still a black box if he can have a Mariano October or five.

Felix Bautista is not replaceable.

[Greg Pappas]

3 minutes ago, Malike said:

I wouldn't go after Ohtani period. I think it's foolish to give up hundreds of millions of dollars of future value for a rental. I would target controllable assets and Ohtani guarantees us nothing. Now, I said yes to Norby and Beavers because I thought that was what you are proposing but I'm not sending top prospects for a 2 month rental.

That's not what I think is realistic at all... it was an example trade to determine where your line is at.  

[Fan4Life]

Would it cost more to get Bednar and Montgomery than Ohtani? Speculation, I know, since we can't know for sure at this point.

Edited July 25, 2023 by Fan4Life

[Bemorewins]

30 minutes ago, btdart20 said:

Angels have motive to trade, sure.  At least assuming they're not in the mix in a few days.

But the Reds, D-Backs, and Rays have interesting ML and MiLB options to trade too (and still not dip into their "untouchables").

These are all facts.

[HakunaSakata]

Just now, Greg Pappas said:

That's not what I think is realistic at all... it was an example trade to determine where your line is at.  

I think the line is so far from what the Angels would accept that this topic/thread probably shouldn't even exist. 

[Can_of_corn]

4 minutes ago, Malike said:

I wouldn't go after Ohtani period. I think it's foolish to give up hundreds of millions of dollars of future value for a rental. I would target controllable assets and Ohtani guarantees us nothing. Now, I said yes to Norby and Beavers because I thought that was what you are proposing but I'm not sending top prospects for a 2 month rental.

Hundreds of millions?

Who the heck are you sending over?

A 55 ranked prospect is worth what, 42M?  Are you sending them five of them?

[HakunaSakata]

1 minute ago, Fan4Life said:

Would it cost more to get Bednar and Montgomery than Ohtani? Speculation, I know, since we can't know for sure at this point.

Monty no, but Bednar maybe because he's young and under team control. I don't think there's any chance we'd target a guy like Bednar because of the prospect cost. 

[Fan4Life]

Just now, HakunaSakata said:

I think the line is so far from what the Angels would accept that this topic/thread probably shouldn't even exist. 

I suppose it depends on the supply to understand the demand. How many clubs can even make a realistic pitch?

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, Fan4Life said:

Would it cost more to get Bednar and Montgomery than Ohtani? Speculation, I know, since we can't know for sure at this point.

I think Bednar is going to cost a lot.

[Greg Pappas]

5 minutes ago, HakunaSakata said:

I think the line is so far from what the Angels would accept that this topic/thread probably shouldn't even exist. 

Then why post multiple times in a thread that is worthless?  What's the point of coming into threads to essentially attempt to belittle others for wanting to discuss a topic that they feel is worthy of their time?  It's trolling.

Edited July 25, 2023 by Greg Pappas

[Bemorewins]

23 minutes ago, HakunaSakata said:

You might not think it, but you're wrong. Someone will overpay for Ohtani. 

I guess you have access to a crystal ball or a time machine? Since, I have none, I can only speculate but am unable to speak with such certainty.

[Bemorewins]

11 minutes ago, Sanity Check said:

What if........

Considering the blister, if we acquired Ohtani he would become our everyday DH and also the high leverage reliever when Bautista and Cano are not available?  Would he really have to be a starter for us?  I imagine he could be dominant in one to three inning stints every 2 or three days.

How does this make sense? As a reliever he would be pitching more frequently than as a starter.