What’s your reaction to the Burnes trade?

[TommyPickles]

I think in a vacuum, the price is fair and reasonable for one year. (option 2)

I think in context of where the O's are and the glut of infielders in their system, this was a great move. Exactly the kind of thing we needed to do. Love it. (Option 1)

[Three Run Homer]

I'm excited by the trade.  There are no sure things in baseball, but the Orioles have definitely improved their chances of winning a World Series this year.  There is probably no other trade or signing out there that would have moved the needle this much--not Cease, not Montgomery, not even Snell.  

[beantownrefugee]

Option 1 for me!  

Both Hall and Ortiz are depreciating assets with respect to a top outcome.  Another year of Hall with a high BB rate, or another year of Ortiz slotting in behind Westburg in the O's front office's perceived pecking order, then neither would be valued as highly in a trade next offseason.  We had that downside risk on our side. 

[dystopia]

No reason to care much about draft picks when you're trying to win now. I still wouldn't give them up at a Duquette-like pace, but still. 

[Frobby]

Good evaluation of Joey Ortiz and DL Hall here:

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/evaluating-the-brewers-return-for-corbin-burnes/

[Osornot]

This is better than waiting for the trade deadline... may have been forced to give up the same package for much less time with Burnes- or not be able to do anything and possibly cringe in the playoffs again

[NedFromYork]

Can we QO Burnes at the end of the year and what is the dollar amount attached if so?

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, NedFromYork said:

Can we QO Burnes at the end of the year and what is the dollar amount attached if so?

Yes and we don't know yet.  Figures to be over 20M.

[Since1984]

4 hours ago, Frobby said:

So long as “working out” means we win the WS in 2024!

Agreed! Maybe its verses the Brew crew too!

Edited February 2 by Since1984

[NedFromYork]

6 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

Yes and we don't know yet.  Figures to be over 20M.

Thank you Can.  Looks like we might have a chance to get a pick back.

[Sports Guy]

2 hours ago, NedFromYork said:

Thank you Can.  Looks like we might have a chance to get a pick back.

I’m sure that was part of the thinking.  Pick will probably be about the same pick as the one they just traded. And who knows, if it’s a better draft, it may be more valuable.

[NedFromYork]

Agree!  Not without risk but a likely outcome. 

[now]

With regard to Hall, the high BB rate kind of devalues his potential both as a starter and in relief. For that reason, comparing him for example to Wells as a backend 2024 bullpen piece, I can live with letting him go (espec. to the NL). The other downside, though, is having one less LHP and one more RHP (Burnes), which is not exactly maximizing the effect of the LF Wall. 

[Can_of_corn]

5 minutes ago, now said:

With regard to Hall, the high BB rate kind of devalues his potential both as a starter and in relief. For that reason, comparing him for example to Wells as a backend 2024 bullpen piece, I can live with letting him go (espec. to the NL). The other downside, though, is having one less LHP and one more RHP (Burnes), which is not exactly maximizing the effect of the LF Wall. 

He had reverse splits last season.

For his career he's pretty even.

As for Wells, the lack of K's worries me.

 

 

[Billy F-Face3]

1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

As for Wells, the lack of K's worries me.

My biggest worry with Wells is his habit of giving up the long deep fly ball/home runs out of the blue. I remember that game early last season in Texas when Bradish was knocked from a line drive to his leg. Wells came in to save the team, but if it wasn't for Stowers making a great catch at the wall after one was hit off Wells, that game could have went a totally went a different way than it ended up going.