The 2024 Trade Deadline

[Bahama O's Fan]

When Kremer comes back and if we get a #3 starter, would that help bolster the pen? You can move Suarez and Irvin/Povich into the pen.

[sportsfan8703]

6 minutes ago, Bahama O's Fan said:

When Kremer comes back and if we get a #3 starter, would that help bolster the pen? You can move Suarez and Irvin/Povich into the pen.

Both are more of regular season arms. They’re not going to be back end arms in the pen. Suarez wasn’t used like that in his brief stint. He pitches to contact vs hunting for Ks. Both are suited to be regular season SP or bottom half of your pen relievers. 

[Bemorewins]

The type of relievers that I am hearing being described are guys with electric stuff/power relievers. We have exactly zero of those currently. Our best reliever currently who is able to consistently get K’s is Kimbrel (who doesn’t really possess overpowering stuff anymore).

Irvin/Suarez will help the pen (if that is where they wind up eventually) because they can throw more than one inning. However, they don’t possess that kind of dynamic/swing and miss stuff (even as relievers) that you ideally want/need at the back end of your bullpen.

[Sports Guy]

7 hours ago, Greg Pappas said:

A number 3 or better.

Yea but how are you defining that?  Is Fedde a #3 or better, for example?

[Roll Tide]

2 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Yea but how are you defining that?  Is Fedde a #3 or better, for example?

I don’t think he can be counted on for that. If you can get him cheap fine but his career WAR is 3.5 and he has 3.7 this year. Plus he’s 33 innings short of his career high …did 120-130 range twice. How could that be your acquisition that can be counted on when he could quite possibly run out of gas? Or get to a team where performance matters and feel the pressure versus pitching for the White Sox…A horrid team that everyone knew was going to suck.

[Sports Guy]

8 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

I don’t think he can be counted on for that. If you can get him cheap fine but his career WAR is 3.5 and he has 3.7 this year. Plus he’s 33 innings short of his career high …did 120-130 range twice. How could that be your acquisition that can be counted on when he could quite possibly run out of gas? Or get to a team where performance matters and feel the pressure versus pitching for the White Sox…A horrid team that everyone knew was going to suck.

He’s an interesting test case. Prior to 2023, wasn’t good.

In 2023, he threw around 200 innings iirc in the KBO and learned the sweeper. Now he is pitching much better. His statcast stats are pretty good although he’s not missing bats or getting Ks and he has a tendency to give up some hard contact.

 

[Sports Guy]

My stance would be pretty simple.

Im not trading any of the top 3 prospects and im not trading any of the young talent that is controlled long term that is currently on the ML roster. That means besides the very obvious guys that players like Cowser and Kjerstad are also off the board.

Now, if a player like Skubal becomes available, that could cause me to change my mind but as I look around at the reported available players, I don’t see anyone worth a top 20 prospect or young contributing ML talent.

Guys like Norby and Stowers fall into that latter category but they aren’t here right now and they are just redundant on our roster.

So I’m telling teams if you want to deal with us, guys like Norby, Stowers and Beavers are who will lead deals and that several vets, led by Mountcastle, are also on the board in any potential contender/contender(fringe contender) type deal.

I think whether it’s Fedde or relievers like Estevez or Nardi or Garcia or even Scott, I think we have enough to get deals done without trading any of the guys we would rather not lose.

This is all to say that I just don’t see that proven elite high end talent available this deadline to justify trading any of those top guys.

[Rbiggs2525]

I’d go even farther. I’m not trading any of top 4 prospects including Kjerstad. I would not trade Cowser as well. We still have a large amount of depth in the system. A trade example would be Stowers, Norby, Liranzo, Forret, Elvin Garcia. That is plenty to get a number 2/3 starter. 

[Sports Guy]

5 minutes ago, Rbiggs2525 said:

I’d go even farther. I’m not trading any of top 4 prospects including Kjerstad. I would not trade Cowser as well. We still have a large amount of depth in the system. A trade example would be Stowers, Norby, Liranzo, Forret, Elvin Garcia. That is plenty to get a number 2/3 starter. 

Well I said not to trade those guys, so that’s not going further.  

Im doing everything in my power to keep Liranzo and Forret too.  I know that starts to get difficult but I still think we can make things happen.

[Roll Tide]

53 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

He’s an interesting test case. Prior to 2023, wasn’t good.

In 2023, he threw around 200 innings iirc in the KBO and learned the sweeper. Now he is pitching much better. His statcast stats are pretty good although he’s not missing bats or getting Ks and he has a tendency to give up some hard contact.

 

I wonder if we can put a deal together for Ryan Weathers. He’s on the IL with a finger strain.but has put together a nice season. It would be a value for value trade since he’s under control through 2028. 

Edited Monday at 12:11 by Roll Tide

[Sports Guy]

2 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

I wonder if we can put a deal together for Ryan Weathers. He’s on the IL with a finger strain.but has put together a nice season. It would be a value for value trade since he’s under control through 2028. 

I’m sure we could. Looking at all the Marlins starters, it appears there is something they aren’t doing with them because they all have some shaky statcast numbers. That’s too coincidental for me.

[Bahama O's Fan]

1 hour ago, Sports Guy said:

Yea but how are you defining that?  Is Fedde a #3 or better, for example?

At least better than our #3 (Kremer/Suarez)

[Sports Guy]

3 minutes ago, Bahama O's Fan said:

At least better than our #3 (Kremer/Suarez)

If we are solely looking at it as an upgrade over what we have, that’s fine. I’m not saying we don’t need that player. My issue is what do you give up for marginal guys just because they happen to be what’s available.

[sportsfan8703]

1 hour ago, Bahama O's Fan said:

At least better than our #3 (Kremer/Suarez)

Burnes - Game 1, Grayson - Game 2, ? - Game 3.

That's what a #3 means to me.  A guy we want starting a playoff game.  

Kremer, Suarez, Povich, and Irvin, are fine regular season pitching options, but we don't want them starting playoff games.  I don't know if I'd want Fedde in that situation.  A #3 for me would be one of Scherzer, Kikuchi, and Severino, in that order.  I could be sold on Fedde though.  

[interloper]

I am eager for something to happen pretty soon here. 

Cooper, Smith, Goodrum, and Watkins(?) added to Norfolk in the last few days. Seems like we're gathering some emergency depth guys ahead of some movement. 

Edited Monday at 14:33 by interloper