The 2024 Trade Deadline

[Roll Tide]

4 minutes ago, Greg Pappas said:

American League		L	PCT	GB	RS	RA	DIFF
New York Yankees	54	32	0.628	7	437	335	102
Minnesota Twins	47	37	0.560	1	404	363	41
Kansas City Royals	47	39	0.547	-	392	337	55
Boston Red Sox	44	39	0.530	1.5	381	351	30
Houston Astros	42	41	0.506	3.5	388	355	33
Tampa Bay Rays	42	42	0.500	4	337	393	-56
Toronto Blue Jays	38	45	0.458	7.5	335	386	-51
Texas Rangers	38	46	0.452	8	357	367	-10
Detroit Tigers	38	46	0.452	8	341	363	-22
Los Angeles Angels	36	47	0.434	9.5	346	410	-64
Oakland Athletics	30	56	0.349	17	306	414	-108
Chicago White Sox	24	62	0.279	23	267	429	-162
National League		L	PCT	GB	RS	RA	DIFF
Atlanta Braves	46	36	0.561	3.5	354	301	53
San Diego Padres	46	42	0.523	0.5	412	378	34
St. Louis Cardinals	43	40	0.518	-	328	368	-40
New York Mets	40	41	0.494	2	393	385	8
Arizona D'backs	41	43	0.488	2.5	394	407	-13
San Francisco Giants	41	44	0.482	3	380	409	-29
Pittsburgh Pirates	40	43	0.482	3	333	367	-34
Washington Nationals	39	44	0.470	4	341	356	-15
Cincinnati Reds	39	45	0.464	4.5	358	343	15
Chicago Cubs	39	46	0.459	5	347	377	-30
Miami Marlins	30	54	0.357	13.5	293	419	-126
Colorado Rockies	28	55	0.337	15	350	492	-142

 

I posted the AL earlier but forgot to add the NL.  If the Cubs have indeed made it known that they are sellers, I've added them to the blue highlighted 'likely sellers list'.  The more sellers, the merrier. 

• The Blue Jays striking any significant deal with the rival O's seems less likely than other clubs, but anything is possible. 
• The Rangers have veteran starters Max Scherzer and Nathan Eovaldi that may draw the O's interest.
• The Tigers have starters Tarik Skubal and, gulp, Jack Flaherty that may interest Elias.
• The Angels could offer lefty veteran starter Tyler Anderson, veteran closer/reliever Carlos Estevez, and perhaps RHH COF Taylor Ward.
• The A's have guys that would be of help, if available, in closer Mason Miller and reliever Lucas Erceg.
• The White Sox could offer starter/reliever Garrett Crochet, starter Erick Fedde, and reliever Michael Kopech.  CF Luis Robert Jr. seems unlikely for us but should be mentioned.
• The Cubs could offer starter Jamison Taillon.
• The Marlins have lefty closer Tanner Scott and that's about all I see, as far as fits.
• The Rockies have veteran starter Cal Quantrill and lefty reliever Jalen Beeks to offer.

I think Tampa could be realistic and sell

[Greg Pappas]

Just now, Roll Tide said:

I think Tampa could be realistic and sell

True, but I had to cut it off somewhere.

[Roll Tide]

2 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Scherzer is Flaherty/Cobb?

Scherzer has pitched 10 innings. It he extremely risky giving up anything of value for him

[Allan Bryant]

21 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

Scherzer has pitched 10 innings. It he extremely risky giving up anything of value for him

Scherzer pitched two games since returning from IL . He is 1-1  , 8 Ks , 2 Rs , 1.74  ERA .  What is risky about him. ?

[RZNJ]

1 hour ago, Roll Tide said:

Which is why it’s not getting done. You are willing to overlook the warts. I doubt Elias would ….. look at the Cease deal. They got Thorpe #4 (#64 of the top 100), a RP that has a 3 era so far this year, and 2 DSL kids ..one of which was their #7. 
 

So this year that’s Kjerstad/Mayo, Norby , Armbruester, and a DSL Kid.

Honestly, you feel Crochet is worth more than Cease? Because that’s what you’d be doing. Based on injury risk abd stuff …I don’t. I’d say Norby, Arias, Nolan Hoffman, and a 20 year old DSL player is more than fair

 

 

I’d say that Ortiz and Hall was fair for one year of Burnes.  Those are two, top 10 Oriole, and top 100 type prospects.   Doesn’t matter that Getz got for Cease before ST, after we got Burnes, and he took the best deal out there.   There are going to be multiple teams in on Crochet.   The Dodgers already made an offer.   Crochet is an elite, albeit risky, acquisition.   However, from the WS perspective it makes no sense to trade him a deal headlined by Norby.   Norby is a second piece and Arias is a third.   You just left out the main piece.      The WS need to do better than that.

P.S.  We kept talking about Cease and not paying for the 2022 Cease.   Crochet is better than the 2022 Cease.   You just don’t know what you can expect regarding his workload in the second half.   

Edited Monday at 23:23 by RZNJ

[bpilktree]

1 hour ago, Greg Pappas said:

American League		L	PCT	GB	RS	RA	DIFF
New York Yankees	54	32	0.628	7	437	335	102
Minnesota Twins	47	37	0.560	1	404	363	41
Kansas City Royals	47	39	0.547	-	392	337	55
Boston Red Sox	44	39	0.530	1.5	381	351	30
Houston Astros	42	41	0.506	3.5	388	355	33
Tampa Bay Rays	42	42	0.500	4	337	393	-56
Toronto Blue Jays	38	45	0.458	7.5	335	386	-51
Texas Rangers	38	46	0.452	8	357	367	-10
Detroit Tigers	38	46	0.452	8	341	363	-22
Los Angeles Angels	36	47	0.434	9.5	346	410	-64
Oakland Athletics	30	56	0.349	17	306	414	-108
Chicago White Sox	24	62	0.279	23	267	429	-162
National League		L	PCT	GB	RS	RA	DIFF
Atlanta Braves	46	36	0.561	3.5	354	301	53
San Diego Padres	46	42	0.523	0.5	412	378	34
St. Louis Cardinals	43	40	0.518	-	328	368	-40
New York Mets	40	41	0.494	2	393	385	8
Arizona D'backs	41	43	0.488	2.5	394	407	-13
San Francisco Giants	41	44	0.482	3	380	409	-29
Pittsburgh Pirates	40	43	0.482	3	333	367	-34
Washington Nationals	39	44	0.470	4	341	356	-15
Cincinnati Reds	39	45	0.464	4.5	358	343	15
Chicago Cubs	39	46	0.459	5	347	377	-30
Miami Marlins	30	54	0.357	13.5	293	419	-126
Colorado Rockies	28	55	0.337	15	350	492	-142

 

I posted the AL earlier but forgot to add the NL.  If the Cubs have indeed made it known that they are sellers, I've added them to the blue highlighted 'likely sellers list'.  The more sellers, the merrier. 

• The Blue Jays striking any significant deal with the rival O's seems less likely than other clubs, but anything is possible. 
• The Rangers have veteran starters Max Scherzer and Nathan Eovaldi that may draw the O's interest.
• The Tigers have starters Tarik Skubal and, gulp, Jack Flaherty that may interest Elias.
• The Angels could offer lefty veteran starter Tyler Anderson, veteran closer/reliever Carlos Estevez, and perhaps RHH COF Taylor Ward.
• The A's have guys that would be of help, if available, in closer Mason Miller and reliever Lucas Erceg.
• The White Sox could offer starter/reliever Garrett Crochet, starter Erick Fedde, and reliever Michael Kopech.  CF Luis Robert Jr. seems unlikely for us but should be mentioned.
• The Cubs could offer starter Jamison Taillon.
• The Marlins have lefty closer Tanner Scott and that's about all I see, as far as fits.
• The Rockies have veteran starter Cal Quantrill and lefty reliever Jalen Beeks to offer.

Tyler Anderson or Scherzer, Tanner Scott, and Trevor Richard’s would be a nice group of trade deadline moves and nit cost any of the top guys.  

[Roll Tide]

2 hours ago, Allan Bryant said:

Scherzer pitched two games since returning from IL . He is 1-1  , 8 Ks , 2 Rs , 1.74  ERA .  What is risky about him. ?

What was Bradish’s numbers before he was shut down?  
 
2-0 39 innings 53 k’s ….

Edited yesterday at 01:54 by Roll Tide

[Roll Tide]

2 hours ago, RZNJ said:

I’d say that Ortiz and Hall was fair for one year of Burnes.  Those are two, top 10 Oriole, and top 100 type prospects.   Doesn’t matter that Getz got for Cease before ST, after we got Burnes, and he took the best deal out there.   There are going to be multiple teams in on Crochet.   The Dodgers already made an offer.   Crochet is an elite, albeit risky, acquisition.   However, from the WS perspective it makes no sense to trade him a deal headlined by Norby.   Norby is a second piece and Arias is a third.   You just left out the main piece.      The WS need to do better than that.

P.S.  We kept talking about Cease and not paying for the 2022 Cease.   Crochet is better than the 2022 Cease.   You just don’t know what you can expect regarding his workload in the second half.   

well 

 

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According to USA Today’s Bob Nightengale, the Dodgers have already made an offer to the White Sox for Crochet. While specifics on the proposal weren’t revealed, the White Sox rejected the offer and informed clubs they want prospects with “enormous upside” in exchange for Crochet.

The Dodgers’ trade offer for Crochet might’ve been weaker than Chicago wanted for a key reason. Crochet is already way past his previous career-high (54.1) in innings pitched at the major-league level. It’s already been reported that any MLB team acquiring Crochet would likely need to reduce his innings and potentially use him out of the bullpen in October.

Chicago is setting a high asking price with the valuation of Crochet as a front-line starter on the verge of earning his first All-Star selection. However, the team that acquires him likely knows Crochet either can’t be a starting pitcher through October or his innings will need to be limited another way.

Fortunately, Chicago is still committed to trading Crochet after the two sides couldn’t agree to terms on a long-term deal. Los Angeles has the farm system to meet the White Sox demands, but whether or not the two sides can find a middle ground and make a deal will depend on the Dodgers’ comfort level with a plan to limit Crochet’s workload

Prospects with Enormous upside. Getz will probably ask for 2 of 3 …Holiday, Basallo and or Mayo, Plus more

 

https://www.lafbnetwork.com/los-angeles-dodgers-rumors-garrett-crochet-trade-offer/

Edited yesterday at 02:05 by Roll Tide

[Roll Tide]

Elias isn’t doing anything close to that for 2 years of control 

[O's84]

If the Rangers drop out if it, is anybody interested in a rental like Kirby Yates?

[RZNJ]

35 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

Elias isn’t doing anything close to that for 2 years of control 

He’s not.  Never said he would.  I don’t think he’d give up any of the top 3-4 let alone two of them.  You have to take this stuff with a grain of salt.   Bowden and Nightengale also had him asking for the moon with Cease.   He didn’t get the moon.   
 

Enormous upside is in the eye of the beholder.   Getz could spin Kjerstad, S. Johnson, and Liranzo as 3 players with enormous upside.  Don’t go overboard.    We aren’t giving 2 top prospects in the top 20 overall and not sure how many other teams even have that.

[RZNJ]

57 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

What was Bradish’s numbers before he was shut down?  
 
2-0 39 innings 53 k’s ….

Does Scherzer have a UCL tear?

[Malike]

2 hours ago, bpilktree said:

Tyler Anderson or Scherzer, Tanner Scott, and Trevor Richard’s would be a nice group of trade deadline moves and nit cost any of the top guys.  

Tanner Scott has a bunch of teams on him. We aren't the only team looking for pen help and he will not be cheap.

[OriolesMagic83]

3 hours ago, RZNJ said:

I’d say that Ortiz and Hall was fair for one year of Burnes.  Those are two, top 10 Oriole, and top 100 type prospects.   Doesn’t matter that Getz got for Cease before ST, after we got Burnes, and he took the best deal out there.   There are going to be multiple teams in on Crochet.   The Dodgers already made an offer.   Crochet is an elite, albeit risky, acquisition.   However, from the WS perspective it makes no sense to trade him a deal headlined by Norby.   Norby is a second piece and Arias is a third.   You just left out the main piece.      The WS need to do better than that.

P.S.  We kept talking about Cease and not paying for the 2022 Cease.   Crochet is better than the 2022 Cease.   You just don’t know what you can expect regarding his workload in the second half.   

The WS would have gotten more for Cease if they had traded him at the 2022 deadline.  I believe they were in the wild card race so that wouldn't have been likely.  I think they could have gotten a package led by a top 20 prospect.  Of course what team is going to trade their ace when their in the wild card race.

[bpilktree]

18 minutes ago, Malike said:

Tanner Scott has a bunch of teams on him. We aren't the only team looking for pen help and he will not be cheap.

Connor Norby and another low teens 20s ranked prospect probably gets it done.  I doubt he gets a top 100 guy.