I really had hope for Cade Povich, but he simply isnt a major league pitcher

[Roy Firestone]

12 base runners in 4 and a third. Yes, the defines was poor and gave Toronto extra outs, but Povich couldn't put anyone away and again walked 5 with 7 hits. Not worthy of another start at this level. Even if Elias doesnt make another move he shouldn't see the light of day in the majors. Just another poor performance and it's looking like he wont get much better over time.No business giving him another chance.Not this year, anyway. Awful. Chayce McDermott isnt any better either.

[orioles22]

Too early to stay that. I don't think he'd have been moved up so soon in the old days. Maybe the experience will help. Give him another month at Norfolk pitching every fifth day and see how he looks in spring training - if he isn't part of a trade.

[Aristotelian]

I've seen enough for a while. Let him reset in AAA and see how it goes.

[Spy Fox]

I think Cade may have a future. But I hope we’re stocked up enough after tomorrow that we don’t see him in Baltimore again until 2025. 

[maybenxtyr]

Some guys never make the adjustments.  He's still young enough to continue trying to work it out in Norfolk. 

[Gurgi]

He has no out pitch.  I dont see him being a success unless he can figure out something. 

And the walks and not great fastball make me doubt he can be a impact relief guy.  Send him to AAA and leave him there until we have another emergency

[Frobby]

He isn’t a major league pitcher right now, that’s for sure.   He’s got a lot of work to do.  

Putting aside what he’s done in the majors, he hasn’t even pitched well in AAA since May 1.   In his first 6 starts, he had a 1.11 ERA in 32.1 innings.   Since then, he’s made 7 AAA appearances (5 in May/early June before his first call-up, 2 in July after being sent down) and has a 5.75 AAA in 31.1 innings.  So whatever he was doing at the start of the year that had everyone clamoring for him, he hasn’t done that in quite a while.   Is that first pitcher in there somewhere?  I don’t know.  
 

[Moose Milligan]

Too early to say that. The control/command is an issue and that shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone. If he can fix that, he’s got a chance. 

[gtman55]

At best he's a fringe starter. The kind of guy who would be fine on the rebuilding Orioles teams. On a team in a pennant race? No way.

A 93 mph fastball. Sure he throws a nice assortment of pitches but with very spotty command. And here's the key thing --- the alarming walk rate. A pitcher without a put away pitch can't afford to give away free passes. He looks like a 5 ERA kind of MLB pitcher. He has 25 walks in 37 innings! Horrible.

[sportsfan8703]

I think from here forward the metric to evaluate SP is to ask your is “Is player X ever going to start to a playoff game for us?”.

If not, then he should probably be a part of a package for someone that will, or how will he play up as a reliever? McDermott looks like he would be a reliever and not just a SP coming out the pen. McDermott could develop into a more specialist type role. 

I’m a bit believer in that players can go back down to AAA and work on things and it’s not a death sentence. See Bradish. Or see Grayson, Cowser, Kjerstad.  Stowers, and Holliday, are working their way back too. 

It’s really hard to cut ties with SP, especially LH ones. Heck, go look at Skubal and Crochet. It took them years to put it together as a SP. But… then there are guys like Bruce Zimmerman. 

Bottomline… It‘a deadline day, I don’t think Povich is that alluring to land us a big fish, so I’d rather keep him and have him as our #6 SP next year. 

[RZNJ]

50 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Too early to say that. The control/command is an issue and that shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone. If he can fix that, he’s got a chance. 

I wonder if Coby Mayo gets the same type of treatment if he comes up and craps the bed.  

Steel cage match.  Roy vs. HuskerFan.   Pay Per View?

[Can_of_corn]

I never saw the appeal of Povich.

He's always been erratic, he's always had command issues.

He's got the K rate but he's one of those guys that get the K's in the minors using deception instead of having overwhelming stuff.

I think pure stuff plays better in the majors.

[RZNJ]

Povich had that one really good start against Atlanta.   For a guy who struck out a ton of guys in the minors there’s just no evidence of that kind of stuff in the majors.    Combine that with bad control and you don’t have much.   I have to believe that Povich can develop into a #4 or #5 but even that’s hard to see right now.   He has the fastball, cutter, changeup, and curveball.    Can’t say any of them looked plus but that variety is what got him the K’s in the minors.  Never really saw him having all 4 pitches working, sometimes not even 1 or 2.   
 

The options for #5 starter right now are pretty scary.

[wildcard]

I am not upset with Povich.   He had a 4.05 ERA in 5 starts in June.   Yesterday he gave up 3 earned runs on a bad day with a bad defense and an umpired with an inconsistent strike zone.   If the defense and umpire were better he would not have thrown so many pitches and would have gone deeper in the game.

I am fine with him getting additional starts.

[Aristotelian]

17 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

I wonder if Coby Mayo gets the same type of treatment if he comes up and craps the bed.  

Steel cage match.  Roy vs. HuskerFan.   Pay Per View?

Five bad starts for a pitcher is the equivalent of 25 bad games by a hitter. And when a pitcher has a bad start you lose the game whereas an 0 for 5 just means you don't score as much. It's not fair but we can't keep putting Povich out there. That said Grayson struggled at first and benefitted from being sent down.