Example A of why you fire Buck after 3 seasons.

[Can_of_corn]

Kubatko especially in my opinion. He's very proud of himself for being a "baseball insider" and not a mere peasant "fan", but never seems to have much of an opinion either way. Oh well

I think Kubatko is very concerned with keeping his job.

[Moose Milligan]

As far as the bullpen success and failure goes, Buck isn't any dumber this year than he was brilliant last year. Many of us noted that there's a lot of risk when your closer doesn't have a lot of swing-and-miss (exacerbated by lack of swing-and-miss elsewhere). The more leveraged the role, the more weight that's put on the (often variable) BABIP. It is what it is. Sucks that it combined with the fact that he seems to have some mechanical issues. Buck probably thinks that the odds of Johnson reverting back to something better and someone else coming in and doing a slam-bang job are roughly even. By juggling you just create other uncertainties.

Finally, I'm pretty sure Buck blames the offense because it allows the blame to be diffused rather than focused on Johnson. My guess is it has very little to do with what he actually thinks.

This is a wholly unlovable team right now (in a laughably frustrating way) but it's also a flawed team that has, in some ways, maximized its rather narrow brand of talent. Some bad luck. That can always shift.

(I'd like to believe I would have traded JJ in the off-season, but I doubt it.)

Edit: I think the pennant was lost in the off-season. That's fine. I also think Duquette knew this and was focusing on a future rotation with Bundy and Gausman.

Probably the best post in the thread.

I'd also like to say that after one and a half good seasons of baseball, this board is semi reminiscent of Sox/Yanks fandom. Yup, I said it. Crying about a team that's 10 games over .500 and talking about firing the manager. That's the type of stuff we'd go laugh at on Sons of Sam Horn after taking 2 out of 3 from the Sox while they were fighting for their playoff lives in September while we're wondering if we'll get the 3rd or 4th pick.

It wasn't that long ago that we'd be thrilled to be in a position like this. A lot of people are starting to act entitled and spoiled, which is their perogative. I'm not judging or saying it's bad, I'm just simply saying what I'm seeing. It's incredibly interesting to me in seeing what it takes to make a fanbase turn on a player or manager who was once heralded in the not too distant past.

In this case, it ain't much from a fanbase who spent 14 years wallowing in misery.

[NewMarketSean]

I think any teams fans regardless of record would be wondering why their manager allowed their closer to blow 4 straight saves in the course of 5 days. After 3 he deserved a break.

Now, calling for them to be fired is another thing. All it takes is for one person to start that thread. Doesn't mean that everyone responding wants to see him be fired.

[WV O's]

Probably the best post in the thread.

I'd also like to say that after one and a half good seasons of baseball, this board is semi reminiscent of Sox/Yanks fandom. Yup, I said it. Crying about a team that's 10 games over .500 and talking about firing the manager. That's the type of stuff we'd go laugh at on Sons of Sam Horn after taking 2 out of 3 from the Sox while they were fighting for their playoff lives in September while we're wondering if we'll get the 3rd or 4th pick.

It wasn't that long ago that we'd be thrilled to be in a position like this. A lot of people are starting to act entitled and spoiled, which is their perogative. I'm not judging or saying it's bad, I'm just simply saying what I'm seeing. It's incredibly interesting to me in seeing what it takes to make a fanbase turn on a player or manager who was once heralded in the not too distant past.

In this case, it ain't much from a fanbase who spent 14 years wallowing in misery.

Really good post. I am a little more judgmental then you, but you basically hit on my sentiments.

[WV O's]

I think any teams fans regardless of record would be wondering why their manager allowed their closer to blow 4 straight saves in the course of 5 days. After 3 he deserved a break.

Now, calling for them to be fired is another thing. All it takes is for one person to start that thread. Doesn't mean that everyone responding wants to see him be fired.

Unfortunately, more than one person expressed the sentiment. It's sad.

[tntoriole]

The talk of firing Buck is absurd on so many levels it is hard to know how to respond effectively. Nobody is getting fired. Even if it was justifiable, which it is absolutely not, Peter is not eating a contract through 2018. Having said that, Buck's strategic choices are absolutely fair to criticize and have cost the team dearly this year. But, come on people, Buck is our manager and nobody wants to win more than him.

[Moose Milligan]

The talk of firing Buck is absurd on so many levels it is hard to know how to respond effectively. Nobody is getting fired. Even if it was justifiable, which it is absolutely not, Peter is not eating a contract through 2018. Having said that, Buck's strategic choices are absolutely fair to criticize and have cost the team dearly this year. But, come on people, Buck is our manager and nobody wants to win more than him.

Yeah, but this is how it starts.

Some people start making threads about it on here, saying they want Buck fired or starting a thread about who you'd like to see as manager other than Buck. Then it picks up steam, pretty soon Roch makes a post about how "I'm not hearing anything about Buck being fired, there's no evidence to suggest that." Which is probably enough to get people on the radio talking about how the fans are getting upset, then pretty soon a dumbass site like MLB trade rumors (who has actually done a good job of building a bit of credibility over the years) picks up on it and has an inflammatory headline like "Buck on the hot seat in Baltimore?" which is a hook that'll get everyone wondering about how much longer he'll last here. Then it goes national, there's a short article or two about it on espn.com, Buster Olney talks about it on his podcast, everyones saying that there's no way Buck is being fired yet PEOPLE ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT BUCK BEING FIRED SO SOMEONE MUST BE TALKING ABOUT BUCK BEING FIRED. Pretty soon it escalates to the point where DD has to make a statement about Buck's job being safe, in which people will take from it what they will. Pro Buck people will say STFU, it's not happening while anti-Buck people are like "Yeah right, let's see what happens in the offseason."

I'm firmly convinced this is how a poop-storm rises up about a managers job security in this day and age.

[SeaBird]

Leaders are for the good times and the bad. You don't fire a general in the middle of a war.

Showalter refused to criticize Johnson, who leads the majors with 39 saves.

"The world's full of those guys who come in after the war's over and shoot the wounded. I'm not one of those guys. I'll leave that to the guys who are outside the arena."

Showalter got the inevitable question about sticking with Johnson as closer.

"Am I going to sit Adam Jones because he had a rough day today? I as a manager can't live in that world. We've got a lot of pieces in the chain that have to work and every club does. And I'll be the first guy to make adjustments if they need to be made, but there's a lot of things that we've got to shore up besides that."

He's overly dramatic in his "war" analogy and purposely evasive in avoiding a direct answer on Johnson as the closer by talking about Jones. Who does he think he is fooling.

He's loyal to a fault and stubborn to boot. Both traits that get him to the exit.

[tntoriole]

Yeah, but this is how it starts.

Some people start making threads about it on here, saying they want Buck fired or starting a thread about who you'd like to see as manager other than Buck. Then it picks up steam, pretty soon Roch makes a post about how "I'm not hearing anything about Buck being fired, there's no evidence to suggest that." Which is probably enough to get people on the radio talking about how the fans are getting upset, then pretty soon a dumbass site like MLB trade rumors (who has actually done a good job of building a bit of credibility over the years) picks up on it and has an inflammatory headline like "Buck on the hot seat in Baltimore?" which is a hook that'll get everyone wondering about how much longer he'll last here. Then it goes national, there's a short article or two about it on espn.com, Buster Olney talks about it on his podcast, everyones saying that there's no way Buck is being fired yet PEOPLE ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT BUCK BEING FIRED SO SOMEONE MUST BE TALKING ABOUT BUCK BEING FIRED. Pretty soon it escalates to the point where DD has to make a statement about Buck's job being safe, in which people will take from it what they will. Pro Buck people will say STFU, it's not happening while anti-Buck people are like "Yeah right, let's see what happens in the offseason."

I'm firmly convinced this is how a poop-storm rises up about a managers job security in this day and age.

Agreed. Excellent post. Good thing Angelos has never been one to be influenced by negative public opinion. Lol

[Can_of_corn]

Agreed. Although even a good amount of rep doesn't stop some people from starting absolutely horrendous threads.

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It isn't his fault, Frobby can't stop himself from making new threads.

[waroriole]

Yeah, but this is how it starts.

Some people start making threads about it on here, saying they want Buck fired or starting a thread about who you'd like to see as manager other than Buck. Then it picks up steam, pretty soon Roch makes a post about how "I'm not hearing anything about Buck being fired, there's no evidence to suggest that." Which is probably enough to get people on the radio talking about how the fans are getting upset, then pretty soon a dumbass site like MLB trade rumors (who has actually done a good job of building a bit of credibility over the years) picks up on it and has an inflammatory headline like "Buck on the hot seat in Baltimore?" which is a hook that'll get everyone wondering about how much longer he'll last here. Then it goes national, there's a short article or two about it on espn.com, Buster Olney talks about it on his podcast, everyones saying that there's no way Buck is being fired yet PEOPLE ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT BUCK BEING FIRED SO SOMEONE MUST BE TALKING ABOUT BUCK BEING FIRED. Pretty soon it escalates to the point where DD has to make a statement about Buck's job being safe, in which people will take from it what they will. Pro Buck people will say STFU, it's not happening while anti-Buck people are like "Yeah right, let's see what happens in the offseason."

I'm firmly convinced this is how a poop-storm rises up about a managers job security in this day and age.

I think your giving way too much credit to the knuckleheads who make these kinds of statements.

[TiredofLosing20]

This isn't "on" the closer in the sense that Johnson is solely to blame. And if this were an isolated incident, or even Johnson's fourth or fifth blown save, then people wouldn't be getting this upset. But this is obviously not an isolated incident and we have every reason to believe this is going to continue. Johnson doesn't get a pass simply because other people could have played better as well.

I would be willing to bet large sums of money that if these were his first 3 blown saves of the season there would be some vocal posters calling for Bucks job and JJs release.

[Tx Oriole]

Unfortunately' date=' more than one person expressed the sentiment. It's sad.[/quote']

It is very frustrating to me. Before Buck there was 14 years of misery.

[Tx Oriole]

Showalter refused to criticize Johnson, who leads the majors with 39 saves.

"The world's full of those guys who come in after the war's over and shoot the wounded. I'm not one of those guys. I'll leave that to the guys who are outside the arena."

Showalter got the inevitable question about sticking with Johnson as closer.

"Am I going to sit Adam Jones because he had a rough day today? I as a manager can't live in that world. We've got a lot of pieces in the chain that have to work and every club does. And I'll be the first guy to make adjustments if they need to be made, but there's a lot of things that we've got to shore up besides that."

He's overly dramatic in his "war" analogy and purposely evasive in avoiding a direct answer on Johnson as the closer by talking about Jones. Who does he think he is fooling.

He's loyal to a fault and stubborn to boot. Both traits that get him to the exit.

Now tell me what good will it do for Buck to blast JJ? How do you know that when

Buck was fired the reasons for it? When he said AJ having a bad game he was

using him as an example. Baseball is a game of failure. You are not going to hit in

every game. Nor will a pitcher win or save every game.

[Can_of_corn]

Now tell me what good will it do for Buck to blast JJ? How do you know that when

Buck was fired the reasons for it? When he said AJ having a bad game he was

using him as an example. Baseball is a game of failure. You are not going to hit in

every game. Nor will a pitcher win or save every game.

There is a big difference between "blasting" JJ and being honest. Buck could have easily said "JJ has been struggling recently and we need the rest of the team to help pick him up." To sit there and act like nothing is wrong with the bullpen is disingenuous.