Andy MacPhail is no different.....

[Fairfax Bird]

Nothing against Bedard. It is hard for ANY pitcher to top 13-5 with 200 k's. The return in July is typically younger - further away- harder to predict talent - there is always injury risk - and, yes, he will be closer to free agency.

COuld his value go up - yes. Likely, I just don't see it.

Alright, he duplicates what he did last year and the Jarrod Washburn hurts his elbow. Now what is his value.

[TheBee]

I have fought this out too many times to think I will change opinions. There is no reason based on the market this offseason why MacPhail should not be able to trade his 13-5 power lefty who is two years from free agency NOW - without risking a mediocre season or injury for a solid return

[TheBee]

What are the odds on Bedard staying healthy and duplicating last season? 50/50? Now take those odds and compare them to what we could get now against what we could get in your best case scenario. It's risk reward, isn't it. The risk outweighs the reward, IMO.

Thank you - I can go to bed now.:002_shappy:

[Fairfax Bird]

What are the odds on Bedard staying healthy and duplicating last season? 50/50? Now take those odds and compare them to what we could get now against what we could get in your best case scenario. It's risk reward, isn't it. The risk outweighs the reward, IMO.

I agree with both of you guys. I think he should be traded now. I am tired of seeing that if we don't trade him now it is the end of the world. It isn't. Strange things happen in baseball and a good season from Bedard and a key injury to the right team could mean a good trade in June or July. But I would much prefer to wake up tomorrow and hear that he was traded to the Mariners for 4 players.

[Moose Milligan]

As for me, I'm worried about another injury for Bedard

Yeah, that's the only concern of mine, really.

[Roll Tide]

I agree with both of you guys. I think he should be traded now. I am tired of seeing that if we don't trade him now it is the end of the world. It isn't. Strange things happen in baseball and a good season from Bedard and a key injury to the right team could mean a good trade in June or July. But I would much prefer to wake up tomorrow and hear that he was traded to the Mariners for 4 players.

I second the motion.... Can we get a someone else to concur:D

[Gelfling8]

You think if his ERA is 2.85 and he is strinking out 10.50 guys per 9 innings his value is diminished? Especially if a team has an injury in the rotation. Not everything is age and contract. Some of it is results between the lines.

I see your point, but those are pretty loft stats, right? I am by no means saying that he couldn't reproduce those stats but the fact that he is being shopped so vigorously suggests to me at least that McPhail thinks last years stats reflect his ceiling and this recent injury scares him. Personally, I think other GM's are skittish about giving up the farm due to that late injury...if he had ended the season injury free his value would likely be similar, maybe a bit higher, but I bet it would have been easier to trade him and for the "right" players by now.

[big leagues 23]

Yeah, that's the only concern of mine, really.

If he isn't traded this offseason, we better hope that Bedard has one of the best 1st halfs in history, so his value will go up and we can get what we want from what ever team comes calling.

[Sports Guy]

Sorry for the late reply, had to run.

I'm not saying they'll get dealt in ST, I'm not saying they'll get dealt by opening day, either.

All I'm saying is if MacPhail waits until July 31st, what's the big deal? Where's the fire?

Like I said, it's been a decade of sucktitude already, roughly 3,650 days of bad baseball, bad drafts, bad trades, and bad free agent signings...If you and others truly believe that the rebuilding process doesn't truly start until we trade Bedard and Roberts, what's another 180 days? We've got nothing but time.

The factor that you hate to talk about is the unknown, because you like to come off as always, always, always so sure of yourself and right 100% of the time that the unknown bothers you because it's a time where you can't be right all the time.

Injury and/or poor performance...That's the big deal.

[Moose Milligan]

Injury and/or poor performance...That's the big deal.

Is that it?

I see where you're coming from, but to be in full fledged freak out mode due to that seems to be a bit premature.

The more time I spend on sports message boards the more I believe that it's probably one of the few places that society allows grown men to act like 8 year olds who aren't getting their way.

[bej6789]

Than the ones that came before him, that tried to piece this club together under Peter Angelos' watch. Andy MacPhail's first offseason so far with the Baltimore Orioles has been very entertaining to say the least. And its mostly entertainment thats met with yawns. Besides the Tejada deal, nothing that Andy MacPhail has accomplished this offseason leads me to believe that this team and organization is back on track to winning baseball. Yeah Rome wasnt built in a day, but we have seen this act before. Beattie, Flanagan, Duguette, Flanagan again with Dug, and now Andy MacPhail.

I dont think Mr. MacPhail realized what kind of job he was getting himself into when he accepted the job of President of Baseball Operations back in June. Its a tough pill to swallow. Working with a man like Peter Angelos has to be a handful. Hearing horror stories from people around the league and people who came before him, about how Peter meddles and holds things up has to make you wonder what am I getting myself into? Also it may fuel some people, people like MacPhail whose well respected by Peter, to come in here and take on the challenge of working with Peter Angelos as your boss, and show the public that you have full autonomy. I think Andy MacPhail has full autonomy so far. But im beginning to wonder if Andy MacPhail has full autonomy with himself? If the man can pull the trigger, without thinking twice about it.

Its got to be tough to gamble on how you go about dealing your Ace left handed starter (who wont resign here) and trade your all star second baseman (who likely wont resign here in 09 when he is a free agent). Heck the guy just got the job in June, he hasnt had a full season with these players yet and he is forced to gamble on trying to trade them. But it has to be done.

Andy needs to restart this franchise. He needs to rebuild and start over with youth. And Im starting to wonder if AM is capable of making a move that will be looked at negatively by the average baseball fan in town, and positively by the true baseball fan in town. He needs to do whats best for the team, and not whats best for Peter or the average baseball fan. He has one week left in my mind to make this work. And if the week ends without any moves of Bedard or Roberts, than Andy MacPhail will just be like the rest. Handcuffed by Peter and by his own self. No matter what happens afterwards.

Amen brotha! Since the trading deadline I've tried to remain distant from this board. Not because I don't believe in the insiders here, but more in regards to the fact that I have zero faith in the Orioles brass. Flanny, Beattie, Mcphail... doesn't matter. You can change the tires all you want but the fact is they're going on a rent-a-wreck vehicle. With the occasional glimmer of hope such as Wieters or the Tejada comes reality, a good offseason for the Orioles is signing a bunch of who? players and why? moves. The Orioles will continue to be a joke of a franchise as long as Peter Angelos is still the Owner. I just can't find anything positive to take away from this team anymore. When Octavio Dotel is who we're playing hardball with... you have no business being in the AL east.

[Sports Guy]

Is that it?

I see where you're coming from, but to be in full fledged freak out mode due to that seems to be a bit premature.

The more time I spend on sports message boards the more I believe that it's probably one of the few places that society allows grown men to act like 8 year olds who aren't getting their way.

I believe in dealing these guys when their value is at its highest...You are willing to wait...That's fine..I think it is a poor idea and you will get burned much more often.

You can be riskier...I will play the odds...I will be right way more often.

[byrdz]

The more time I spend on sports message boards the more I believe that it's probably one of the few places that society allows grown men to act like 8 year olds who aren't getting their way.

Speaking of which, love the profile picture Moose.

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[byrdz]

I'm in the crowd of dealing them before ST, anything beyond that and I'll be freaking with everyone but it will not be the end all. The trade deadline could yield more value like with Trachsel but that's big gamble.

[Fairfax Bird]

I believe in dealing these guys when their value is at its highest...You are willing to wait...That's fine..I think it is a poor idea and you will get burned much more often.

You can be riskier...I will play the odds...I will be right way more often.

This should be your signature.