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El Gordo Hangout Grand Counsel

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Is that it?

I see where you're coming from, but to be in full fledged freak out mode due to that seems to be a bit premature.

The more time I spend on sports message boards the more I believe that it's probably one of the few places that society allows grown men to act like 8 year olds who aren't getting their way.

Boy do I ever agree with you. But what makes you so sure they are grown?

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I believe in dealing these guys when their value is at its highest...You are willing to wait...That's fine..I think it is a poor idea and you will get burned much more often.

You can be riskier...I will play the odds...I will be right way more often.

Know what? I'm not even advocating waiting. I want them traded ASAP as my concerns are more in line with yours...poor performance, injury. Both very valid.

I honestly don't care about being right as you do. It's just a message board and you know as well as I do that I don't keep score and don't really care who's right and who's wrong.

I just know I'll have a good chuckle if we trade these two this summer and the entire board does a 180 all of a sudden if the packages received are to everyones liking.

It'll go from "MacFail" to "MacGenius" around here, real quick. And as usual, everyone will have a short and selective memory. ;)

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Speaking of which, love the profile picture Moose. :)

<img src = "http://forum.orioleshangout.com/forums/customprofilepics/profilepic4938_2.gif?v=0">

I'd just like to take this minute to point out that the kid in the picture IS NOT ME as I've had many PM's asking me if that's me...and more often, who the girl is ;)

That's Hank Scorpio, everyone. In the flesh.

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Know what? I'm not even advocating waiting. I want them traded ASAP as my concerns are more in line with yours...poor performance, injury. Both very valid.

I honestly don't care about being right as you do. It's just a message board and you know as well as I do that I don't keep score and don't really care who's right and who's wrong.

I just know I'll have a good chuckle if we trade these two this summer and the entire board does a 180 all of a sudden if the packages received are to everyones liking.

It'll go from "MacFail" to "MacGenius" around here, real quick. And as usual, everyone will have a short and selective memory. ;)

If Bedard and BRob are healthy and performing well in July, they will fetch good packages, if we look to deal them...Of course, we would then be relying on AM to get a deal done in a few weeks...Not sure that can be done.

Anyway, it still doesn't mean the risk was worth it.

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I'd just like to take this minute to point out that the kid in the picture IS NOT ME as I've had many PM's asking me if that's me...and more often, who the girl is ;)

That's Hank Scorpio, everyone. In the flesh.

Sure is great eye candy!

I agree with SG they need to move asap. Waiting longer is a risk. Remember all the argument about what teams would be willing to do for only 2 years. The story will continue to worsen as we move forward.

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If Bedard and BRob are healthy and performing well in July, they will fetch good packages, if we look to deal them...Of course, we would then be relying on AM to get a deal done in a few weeks...Not sure that can be done.

Anyway, it still doesn't mean the risk was worth it.

I tend to agree that Bedard and Roberts will still be valuable at the deadline.

The thing that scares me is that a player we may covet, who may be available now, will not be available in July due to an injury or poor play by players currently on a playoff contender.

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What are the odds on Bedard staying healthy and duplicating last season? 50/50? Now take those odds and compare them to what we could get now against what we could get in your best case scenario. It's risk reward, isn't it. The risk outweighs the reward, IMO.

I think this sums it up for me as well. I'm not concerned that Bedard's numbers will slip, if he's healthy, I think he'll pitch at an elite level. But he's already coming off a dominant season, his value is sky high.

I don't think the % that his value will increase that much more than it is right now = the % that he could get hurt and we get nothing for him this year. Then he's a full blown rental player in the '08 off-season.

Not to mention, if he does stay healthy and is dealt at the deadline, we're going to be receiving prospect who aren't MLB ready. We're not getting an Adam Jones type player at the trading deadline. Jones should be a starter by then and not many teams want to deal starters during a playoff run.

Also, you have to factor in who the "buyers" will be in July. Some of the teams with better farm systems might be out of it by then and will have no desire to improve the team this season.

I am confident that a suitable deal can be made for a player of Bedard's stature w/o inheriting all the risks associated with holding onto him till the trade deadline. We need to stop looking for the deal that "blows us away" and start looking for a deal that is practical and helps jump start the rebuilding process. 1 superstar player + 2-3 good to very good players should be the goal. 4 blue chippers is just not realistic, IMO.

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Gotta agree with SG here. Sell high, buy cheap. We're rebuilding(if you want to call it that so far) so there's no reason we shouldn't be trying to get rid of Bedard after the great season he just had.

AM COULD wait to the deadline...but why? You risk Bedard/Roberts getting injured or playing very poorly. Of course, there's the chance Bedard is lights out in the first half as well.

And at the same time.. what happens if Jones goes on fire for the M's? Will they even consider trading him? And on the other hand, there's also the possibility he'll stink it up.

Lots of what-if scenarios...and considering the O's and the fans luck, I don't like the chances of waiting.

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If Bedard and BRob are healthy and performing well in July, they will fetch good packages, if we look to deal them...Of course, we would then be relying on AM to get a deal done in a few weeks...Not sure that can be done.

Anyway, it still doesn't mean the risk was worth it.

Wait a tick, if we fetch good packages for them at the trade deadline, who cares if the risk was worth it or not?

Isn't the ultimate goal to get good packages for them? And if we get good packages tomorrow or in July, who cares?

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Wait a tick, if we fetch good packages for them at the trade deadline, who cares if the risk was worth it or not?

Isn't the ultimate goal to get good packages for them? And if we get good packages tomorrow or in July, who cares?

Your point was that people would have a selective memory...What I am saying is that, in hindsight, everything can look different.

Just because a risk pays off doesn't mean it was a good risk or one you should take again.

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I tend to agree that Bedard and Roberts will still be valuable at the deadline.

The thing that scares me is that a player we may covet, who may be available now, will not be available in July due to an injury or poor play by players currently on a playoff contender.

Right...You aren't getting Adam Jones in July...You can pretty much bank on that.

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Wait a tick, if we fetch good packages for them at the trade deadline, who cares if the risk was worth it or not?

Isn't the ultimate goal to get good packages for them? And if we get good packages tomorrow or in July, who cares?

Disregarding the injury risk, the biggest difference between now and july is the type of players your getting in return, IMO.

Instead of Adam Jones being the centerpiece, the centerpiece would be a guy like Truinfel. If Jones is their starting centerfielder and producing, I don't think they'd trade him during a playoff run.

I would prefer the Bedard package to have at least one elite player who is close to being MLB ready. Someone who has progressed through the minor league ranks and is a less risk of reaching his potential. Truinfel is a talented prospect, but at 17 theres alot of variables between the player he is now and the player he's projected to be. Whereas a guy like Jones is much safer since he is more developed and more projectable.

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Wait a tick, if we fetch good packages for them at the trade deadline, who cares if the risk was worth it or not?

Isn't the ultimate goal to get good packages for them? And if we get good packages tomorrow or in July, who cares?

It would be a group of A & AA minor leaguers.This further prolongs the rebuilding process no matter who they get.

Jones & Clement wont be available in July unless they bust.

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