Hardy Extension Announced Today

[Trace21230]

In my defense I was strongly supportive of the Ubaldo signing

Still think it might work out but the Orioles track record with any kind of conract even approaching big dollars aint so hot.

Just think the team needs to get younger and more athletic. Make the QO get the pick and select the next JJ Hardy

In theory, it would be super-duper to get a "younger and more athletic" shortstop. But this isn't theory, it is real life. Who is the player that you would have replace Hardy?

I remember the days of Cesar Izturis, Freddy Bynum, Luis Hernandez, Juan Castro, Alex Cintron, Deivi Cruz, Brandon Fahey and Pedro Florimon. Many if not most of those former Os shortstops were "younger and more athletic" than J.J. Hardy. Are you telling us that someone of that type is who you'd have at short for us?

[DrungoHazewood]

In theory, it would be super-duper to get a "younger and more athletic" shortstop. But this isn't theory, it is real life. Who is the player that you would have replace Hardy?

I remember the days of Cesar Izturis, Freddy Bynum, Luis Hernandez, Juan Castro, Alex Cintron, Deivi Cruz, Brandon Fahey and Pedro Florimon. Many if not most of those former Os shortstops were "younger and more athletic" than J.J. Hardy. Are you telling us that someone of that type is who you'd have at short for us?

Just because past teams were terrible doesn't rationalize a poor decision now. As I've said, I'm not terribly against this Hardy extension, hopefully it works out. But I don't see what Freddy Bynum has to do with it. Sidney Ponson isn't influencing the decisions on the pitching staff, is he?

[tntoriole]

We have no one in the next three years in the farm system who is ready to play at a higher level than Hardy. There is no one available by free agency or trade that would not cost significantly more and likely produce less. This will turn out to be a great value signing, imho. Plus he is a nugget. There is that.

[OFFNY]

We have no one in the next three years in the farm system who is ready to play at a higher level than Hardy. There is no one available by free agency or trade that would not cost significantly more and likely produce less. This will turn out to be a great value signing, imho. Plus he is a nugget. There is that.

Our previous 3-year extension of Hardy turned out to be a steal, IMRAOAO.

It would be great if that winds up being the case again.

[ledzepp8]

Really?

Why will his bat age well?

How many middle infielders have aged well bat or glove?

HR/RBI last 4 years

30/80

22/68

25/76

9/52

He is already not aging well

I'm amazed at all the people happy about the JJ Hardy signing and wanting to sign Cruz

are you the same people snickering at the Yankees for filling out their roster with players past their primes?

He's been worth 4.3, 2.7, 3.4, and 3.4 fWAR and 4.1, 3.2, 3.9, 3.4 rWAR in his time with the Orioles. That's remarkably consistent. He's been worth between 12 and 19.3 million dollars each season with the Orioles and they're going to pay him like 11 million per with 6.5 million deferred.

[Trace21230]

We have no one in the next three years in the farm system who is ready to play at a higher level than Hardy. There is no one available by free agency or trade that would not cost significantly more and likely produce less. This will turn out to be a great value signing, imho. Plus he is a nugget. There is that.

Exactly, which is why I posed the question: Who should play SS for the Os next year if not Hardy? Still haven't gotten an answer. I suppose one could argue that Machado should be at SS and we can sign a 3B or something.

Honestly, getting this extension when Hardy would probably command 3/48 in free agency is a no brainer.

[srock]

For the record: giggity-goo

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[DrungoHazewood]

Exactly, which is why I posed the question: Who should play SS for the Os next year if not Hardy? Still haven't gotten an answer. I suppose one could argue that Machado should be at SS and we can sign a 3B or something.

Honestly, getting this extension when Hardy would probably command 3/48 in free agency is a no brainer.

Just don't forget we're not getting 31-year-old JJ Hardy. Players get worse with age.

This is a defensible deal. But it's almost the same deal at the same age that Brian Roberts once signed.

[Can_of_corn]

Exactly, which is why I posed the question: Who should play SS for the Os next year if not Hardy? Still haven't gotten an answer. I suppose one could argue that Machado should be at SS and we can sign a 3B or something.

Honestly, getting this extension when Hardy would probably command 3/48 in free agency is a no brainer.

Really it isn't.

First off what is the value of the pick the O's won't be getting? You can go ahead and add that to the 40 million right off the top. Secondly the 48 million number is probably going to include teams that do not have the financial restrictions the O's do. 40 million to the O's is more then 48 is to the Dodgers. Thirdly you have to accept the fact that Hardy will in short order have trade protection which limits team flexibility. Then you have to include the vesting option which could be rather onerous.

It is far from a no brainer.

Not like the 3/21 deal was.

[srock]

Really it isn't.

First off what is the value of the pick the O's won't be getting? You can go ahead and add that to the 40 million right off the top. Secondly the 48 million number is probably going to include teams that do not have the financial restrictions the O's do. 40 million to the O's is more then 48 is to the Dodgers. Thirdly you have to accept the fact that Hardy will in short order have trade protection which limits team flexibility. Then you have to include the vesting option which could be rather onerous.

It is far from a no brainer.

Not like the 3/21 deal was.

I and many other oriole fans would be furious if he wore pin stripes next season. That is worth something in revenues.

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[Trace21230]

Really it isn't.

First off what is the value of the pick the O's won't be getting? You can go ahead and add that to the 40 million right off the top. Secondly the 48 million number is probably going to include teams that do not have the financial restrictions the O's do. 40 million to the O's is more then 48 is to the Dodgers. Thirdly you have to accept the fact that Hardy will in short order have trade protection which limits team flexibility. Then you have to include the vesting option which could be rather onerous.

It is far from a no brainer.

Not like the 3/21 deal was.

You can make that argument, and I understand the argument. But the argument fails to appreciate the fact that the Orioles need to field a major league shortstop in 2015. Who would you put there?

[Can_of_corn]

I and many other oriole fans would be furious if he wore pin stripes next season. That is worth something in revenues.

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You think him signing with the Yanks would cause a decrease in attendance?

I think folks would threaten it, but in the end would go anyway.

I could be wrong, I don't fully relate to fans with that viewpoint.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Dan Duquette said we"ll have it done today on Hardy.</p>— Steve Melewski (@masnSteve) <a href="

">October 9, 2014</a></blockquote>

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[Can_of_corn]

You can make that argument, and I understand the argument. But the argument fails to appreciate the fact that the Orioles need to field a major league shortstop in 2015. Who would you put there?

I already said that Kang would be option A.

I also have no reservations about Machado being able to handle short. (just if he would be ready for OD)

[weams]

I already said that Kang would be option A.

I also have no reservations about Machado being able to handle short. (just if he would be ready for OD)

Well, something we can criticize for the next four years. For now, I am trusting Dan as usual.