Greatest GM's-Several O's

[Frobby]

Andy MacPhail had the luxury of teams that were out of the race by June. Makes percolating your trades easy. It is very easy to be a good trader, when you are a seller. Not a need based buyer.

I'm not so sure it's that easy, if what you are trying to do is acquire unproven young talent. Several of Andy's trades turned out to be absolute fleecings, because the unproven talent proved out. And his most important trades were largely made in the offseason. The only mid-season trade that produced much was Koji for David and Hunter.

I do think Andy got a little lucky with the timing of the Bedard trade. There was so little pitching talent on the market that winter that he was able to command a king's ransom for a guy who had never thrown 200 innings in a season and who had only qualified for the ERA title in two seasons. And I know it is fashionable to say Seattle was insane to do that deal, but some of the rumored deals offered by Cincinnati were just as lucrative; I'm pretty sure we were rumored to have been offered Votto, Cueto and some other pieces, but wouldn't do it because we wanted Jay Bruce (who at the time was the most highly prized Reds prospect, above the other two).

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I'm not so sure it's that easy, if what you are trying to do is acquire unproven young talent. Several of Andy's trades turned out to be absolute fleecings, because the unproven talent proved out. And his most important trades were largely made in the offseason. The only mid-season trade that produced much was Koji for David and Hunter.

I do think Andy got a little lucky with the timing of the Bedard trade. There was so little pitching talent on the market that winter that he was able to command a king's ransom for a guy who had never thrown 200 innings in a season and who had only qualified for the ERA title in two seasons. And I know it is fashionable to say Seattle was insane to do that deal, but some of the rumored deals offered by Cincinnati were just as lucrative; I'm pretty sure we were rumored to have been offered Votto, Cueto and some other pieces, but wouldn't do it because we wanted Jay Bruce (who at the time was the most highly prized Reds prospect, above the other two).

Andy almost got Kershaw for Bedard.

[LA2]

Duquette was glad to build skillfully upon the foundation that MacPhail established. He felt no need to raze it and start from scratch.

[$Greatness$]

Andy almost got Kershaw for Bedard.

Man... wouldn't that have been aces! (no pun intended)

[BohKnowsBmore]

Andy almost got Kershaw for Bedard.

He did pretty well with jones and Tillman.

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[LookinUp]

Was the denominator on this study 25 GMs?

[Can_of_corn]

And at #17...

https://pursuitofpennants.wordpress.com/2015/01/22/17-dan-duquette/

[Can_of_corn]

And at #10

https://pursuitofpennants.wordpress.com/2015/02/02/10-frank-cashen/

[Can_of_corn]

And at #8...

https://pursuitofpennants.wordpress.com/2015/02/04/8-harry-dalton/

[Bahama O's Fan]

https://pursuitofpennants.wordpress.com/

Several connected to the O's. If we had a list of worst GM's, how many O's would there be?

[Frobby]

Pat Gillick was no. 2. No Hank Peters on the list.

[Bahama O's Fan]

Since these were merged, can we get a change on the thread title so everyone knows it's now discussing all the GM's on the list instead of just Andy?

[Bahama O's Fan]

We have five on this list. If they were to do the worst GM's, how many would be tied to the O's?

[scOtt]

We have five on this list. If they were to do the worst GM's' date=' how many would be tied to the O's?[/quote']

At the least Syd fricking Thrift. Altho his early days might offset that.

[byrdz]

I wonder how well MacPhail and Buck would work together.