Would you be willing to trade Schoop and Givens for a good starting pitcher?

[Can_of_corn]

Now IF Pedro Alvarez, Mark Trumbo and Matt Wieters all leave through Free Agency, Mancini may become a valuable piece going forward after the 2016 Campaign. Of note also is the seven years of team control that the Orioles would have in the salary of Mancini which in no small part would enable them to sign Machado, Tillman and Schoop.

Seven years isn't guaranteed. Schoop will only be under control for six years (unless you count the five games in 2013).

[bpilktree]

Now IF Pedro Alvarez, Mark Trumbo and Matt Wieters all leave through Free Agency, Mancini may become a valuable piece going forward after the 2016 Campaign. Of note also is the seven years of team control that the Orioles would have in the salary of Mancini which in no small part would enable them to sign Machado, Tillman and Schoop.

Yeah but you are going to have to give up something to get the starting pitching you need and a DH type guy that is blocked by a first baseman and has not played any other position as of yet. I think you get sign a decent DH type pretty cheap most off season and not cost a lot. I actually wouldn't mind Aleverz again next year maybe a two year deal around 14 million or so. It will be cheaper then having to go for a free agent pitcher in the off season and have Shoemaker a controlled low cost pitcher next year.

[Pheasants]

I wonder if they've talked to Trumbo about a contract yet. If he agreed to 5/60 or less, I'd trade Mancini. If Trumbo said he wanted something like Davis money, I'd keep Mancini and tell Trumbo to look elsewhere. Basically make a choice for next year.

[jerm13]

I wonder if they've talked to Trumbo about a contract yet. If he agreed to 5/60 or less, I'd trade Mancini. If Trumbo said he wanted something like Davis money, I'd keep Mancini and tell Trumbo to look elsewhere. Basically make a choice for next year.

There's no way Trumbo is going to accept $12 mil per year after he clubs 40 homers this season. I don't think he will be back next season as his price will be too high.

[ORIOLE33]

I'd trade AJ before I trade Schoop.

[TouchemAll]

Givens is just being pounded by (LH .388), (RH .170) looks more & more like a RH specialist to me?

How much is that REALLY WORTH? To bad it's not the OTHER WAY AROUND.

[bpilktree]

Givens is just being pounded by (LH .388), (RH .170) looks more & more like a RH specialist to me?

How much is that REALLY WORTH? To bad it's not the OTHER WAY AROUND.

Very small sample size is causing that. He was very good vs them last season and for the last two months this season. They are 19-48 vs him but they started out something like 11-17 or something crazy like that. So he is like 8/30 since then.

[Redskins Rick]

Very small sample size is causing that. He was very good vs them last season and for the last two months this season. They are 19-48 vs him but they started out something like 11-17 or something crazy like that. So he is like 8/30 since then.

It might be SSS, but enough that Buck had another LHP brought up, said he needed somebody other than Britton to get LH batters out.

[thezeroes]

Seven years isn't guaranteed. Schoop will only be under control for six years (unless you count the five games in 2013).

By delaying his spot on the Forty and then delaying his spot on the Twenty-Five they in part/partial control him for Seven Years. This may be changed in the new CBA but as of now a player must accrue 6 complete years of service time to become a free agent. If a player is brought up in the middle to end of May, they will not have enough service time after their sixth season to become a Free Agent hence Seven Years of control.

[Ruzious]

Givens might be the smart trade chip. He's a young reliever that teams probably think can be groomed to be a closer. He's nice to have, but we don't really need him - especially with young guys like Cleavinger and Meisenger coming through the ranks within the next 2 years.

[bpilktree]

It might be SSS, but enough that Buck had another LHP brought up, said he needed somebody other than Britton to get LH batters out.

I don't think Givens is the main reason though both the Yanks and Rays have lots of lefties in the lineup so you want to have a quality lefty for multiple guys but I don't think if he has a righty lefty right type situation he takes him out or something like that. There are times you want a lefty depending on the hitter and also what the lineup is. You want to have a lefty for certain guys like Ortiz, Tex, Cory Dickerson and a few other guys.

[Satyr3206]

It would take a haul to trade Schoop. Like others I would include Givens in a deal.

[Can_of_corn]

By delaying his spot on the Forty and then delaying his spot on the Twenty-Five they in part/partial control him for Seven Years. This may be changed in the new CBA but as of now a player must accrue 6 complete years of service time to become a free agent. If a player is brought up in the middle to end of May, they will not have enough service time after their sixth season to become a Free Agent hence Seven Years of control.

I know how it works.

What I am saying is that the Orioles have obviously shown a willingness to allow players to make the team out of spring training and give up that partial seventh year of team control.

[thezeroes]

I know how it works.

What I am saying is that the Orioles have obviously shown a willingness to allow players to make the team out of spring training and give up that partial seventh year of team control.

Then you should not have pointed out that I was in error in my summation of seven years of team control and I would not have that retort or this one.

I do know that the Orioles DID use the Forty and the MiLB DL for Dylan Bundy to retain team control while injured. They could have placed him on the Twenty-Five and Sixty Day Disabled him BUT that time would have counted on his service clock. There is a precedent.

[jtschrei]

Schoop is not being traded. Buck loves him. He's maybe the 2nd best player on the team right now after Manny. No way. He's cost controlled. We don't even know his ceiling. Could he hit 30 Hrs this year?