Mancini. Cisco, Trumbo, Alvarez and Wieters

[Redskins Rick]

And how many has he caught off first? or on his own pitch outs? vs. other catchers? Wieters is #18 in WAR of all MLB catchers but has the 3rd highest salary. How do you square that?

IMO, I think WAR for catcher is pretty useless.

Wieters was selected to the ASG by the manager as a reserve for a reason.

[aewell]

Can you please specify which flavor of WAR you are using?

Thanks.

WAR = (Batting Runs + Base Running Runs +Fielding Runs + Positional Adjustment + League Adjustment +Replacement Runs) / (Runs Per Win)

[aewell]

IMO, I think WAR for catcher is pretty useless.

Wieters was selected to the ASG by the manager as a reserve for a reason.

If that's your argument. So is Trumbo. So what is your point?

[Can_of_corn]

WAR = (Batting Runs + Base Running Runs +Fielding Runs + Positional Adjustment + League Adjustment +Replacement Runs) / (Runs Per Win)

I know what WAR is, I was asking which version you are referring to.

[Redskins Rick]

WAR = (Batting Runs + Base Running Runs +Fielding Runs + Positional Adjustment + League Adjustment +Replacement Runs) / (Runs Per Win)

That's funny, you trying to explain WAR to one of our resident sabermatics. SMH

[Redskins Rick]

I know what WAR is, I was asking which version you are referring to.

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[Can_of_corn]

That's funny, you trying to explain WAR to one of our resident sabermatics. SMH

To be honest I don't delve deep into the component math. I let the folks that like to do that sort of thing provide it for me.

[crawjo]

I'd rather not sign Trumbo to the kind of deal he will command after this season. Wieters, it would depend on the price. Even if we lose Trumbo I would strongly consider trading Mancini for the right pitcher, if such a deal even came along. My reasoning is that it is easier to find a good power hitter who will excel in Camden Yards than it is to acquire a good pitcher who can help our rotation. But it all depends on the deal being offered.

[Redskins Rick]

To be honest I don't delve deep into the component math. I let the folks that like to do that sort of thing provide it for me.

You are also well versed in the subject.

[aewell]

That's funny, you trying to explain WAR to one of our resident sabermatics. SMH

Well why don't you explain which version you prefer and why. And how it ranks those two versus the highschool na na na na act. get to the point of the debate.

[Can_of_corn]

You are also well versed in the subject.

I appreciate the kind words.

Aewell is still new here, I wouldn't expect them to know who all the rest of us are yet.

[Redskins Rick]

If that's your argument. So is Trumbo. So what is your point?

My point has been, you can't compare Wieters to Trumbo, and you can't compare Wieters to his peers, simply using WAR.

[Redskins Rick]

I appreciate the kind words.

Aewell is still new here, I wouldn't expect them to know who all the rest of us are yet.

Point taken.

[Can_of_corn]

Well why don't you explain which version you prefer and why. And how it ranks those two versus the highschool na na na na act. get to the point of the debate.

I don't think Rick cares that much either way.

I was just curious if you were using rWAR or fWAR.

Wasn't a big deal I just prefer to know which data set is being used when folks reference WAR. It makes a huge difference when discussing pitchers for instance. Go compare the two when it comes to Ubaldo.

[aewell]

I'd rather not sign Trumbo to the kind of deal he will command after this season. Wieters, it would depend on the price. Even if we lose Trumbo I would strongly consider trading Mancini for the right pitcher, if such a deal even came along. My reasoning is that it is easier to find a good power hitter who will excel in Camden Yards than it is to acquire a good pitcher who can help our rotation. But it all depends on the deal being offered.

Wieters is 6 foot 5 30 yo catcher coming off TJ. How much longer do you think he is going to be able to catch?