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Frobby Hangout Grand Counsel

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I'm not a big one for blaming the coaches unless I actually hear some specific criticism of what the coach is doing from someone who should know what they're talking about.     I did think Connor and Adair deserved criticism.    I'm not sure about McDowell or Mills.    

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Woody Held Major Leaguer Rising Star

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McDowell and Mills are just most visible .  This whole organization is deficient in developing pitchers. Who is the last guy to come up through our system and actually deliver.  Gausman and Bundy got thrust into the big leagues and are learning on the job.  The last O's pitcher to come through the system and be more than serviceable is Mike Mussina.  Guys leave the organization and than flourish.  The problem is much deeper than McDowell and Mills

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Is it just me or does it seem like they changed Gausmen's approach? I haven't looked it up but he looks to be throwing his breaking ball more and its getting hit hard. His last start he threw the change more and looked better. I know they want him to have a third pitch but he has two plus pitches. Chen was primarily a fastball pitcher and had success. 

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On 6/24/2017 at 0:48 AM, TINSTAAPP said:

Nuno had a 3.66 ERA with a 1.29 WHIP and 4:1 SO:BB ratio. Nuno's not great but he was a competent ML reliever similar to someone like Tommy Hunter. The jump in walk rate is something that has really stood out. Nuno has typically shown very good control throughout his career with a career walk rate of 2.3 BB/9 coming into this year. This year, he's average 6 BB/9. How does a pitcher almost triple his walk rate from his career average?

His last stint up with the O's, he was just throwing complete batting practice.   Meatball after meatball.  

If his walk rate is higher with us, it's probably because he realizes he can't get anyone out throwing strikes.

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10 hours ago, Frobby said:

I'm not a big one for blaming the coaches unless I actually hear some specific criticism of what the coach is doing from someone who should know what they're talking about.     I did think Connor and Adair deserved criticism.    I'm not sure about McDowell or Mills.    

Ditto ditto.

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For me McDowell's future with the O's is tied to Gausman.  If a pitching coach can't get Gausman to be a sub 4.00 ERA consistent starter then what good is he to the O's?   He has the rest of the 2017 season to prove he can turn Gausman around.

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On 6/24/2017 at 10:10 AM, thezeroes said:

 Gausman was not good until the end of last season with two years worth of tutoring from the old regime.  

Are you kidding me? Gausman's had a 3.77 ERA with a 1.28 WHIP and a strikeout to walk ratio of 3.2 to 1 the last three years. Those are very solid numbers. His ERA is almost double that this year, his WHIP is 50% higher and his strikeout to walk ratio has been cut in half. 

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6 hours ago, TINSTAAPP said:

Are you kidding me? Gausman's had a 3.77 ERA with a 1.28 WHIP and a strikeout to walk ratio of 3.2 to 1 the last three years. Those are very solid numbers. His ERA is almost double that this year, his WHIP is 50% higher and his strikeout to walk ratio has been cut in half. 

He shaved a complete run off his era in the second half of last year.  So NO I am not kidding you

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