Matusz 2011, Tillman 2017, Harvey 2021

[Sports Guy]

The TTP stuff with Matusz was one of the dumbest things I have ever seen a manager worry about.

[Gofannon]

15 hours ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

Another dishonorable mention:

1998 Doug Drabek 23 G, 21 GS, 7.29 ERA, and gave up 20 home runs in 108.2 innings pitched. 

Was the 2009 Adam Eaton Experience too brief to get mentioned here?

8 starts, 8.56 ERA, 9 home runs in 41 innings, 1.829 WHIP.  I get the shakes just thinking about him.

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

11 minutes ago, Gofannon said:

Was the 2009 Adam Eaton Experience too brief to get mentioned here?

8 starts, 8.56 ERA, 9 home runs in 41 innings, 1.829 WHIP.  I get the shakes just thinking about him.

Honestly, I forgot Eaton was ever an Oriole, but he definitely qualifies. 

[LA2]

18 hours ago, Orioles Jim said:

Dishonorable mention:

2006 Russ Ortiz 20 G, 5 GS, 8.48 ERA, FIP 8.33

There are some important differences with Ortiz. Unlike Harvey et al, the O's did not go into the season with Ortiz even on their radar after a poor 2005 with the D-backs. He was a desperation signing near the end of June, 2006 prompted by newly-arrived supposed pitching guru Leo Mazzone's exasperation with the Oriole pitching staff and training up and down the franchise (outside of Bedard), which he openly considered incompetent and irreparable. After all, Ortiz had had six seasons of success under Mazzone at Atlanta up until a year and a half before--why not see if they could recapture the magic? Also, I had the sense that Mazzone, unable to fix the bad pitching quickly, felt humiliated after such a long and illustrious career with the Braves and made a panicked move to wrap himself in past glory.

Different from and more understandable than going into a season counting on someone unreliable to be your number 2 or 3 starter (Harvey, Jiminez, Gallardo, etc.).

 

[Orioles Jim]

4 hours ago, LA2 said:

There are some important differences with Ortiz. Unlike Harvey et al, the O's did not go into the season with Ortiz even on their radar after a poor 2005 with the D-backs. He was a desperation signing near the end of June, 2006 prompted by newly-arrived supposed pitching guru Leo Mazzone's exasperation with the Oriole pitching staff and training up and down the franchise (outside of Bedard), which he openly considered incompetent and irreparable. After all, Ortiz had had six seasons of success under Mazzone at Atlanta up until a year and a half before--why not see if they could recapture the magic? Also, I had the sense that Mazzone, unable to fix the bad pitching quickly, felt humiliated after such a long and illustrious career with the Braves and made a panicked move to wrap himself in past glory.

Different from and more understandable than going into a season counting on someone unreliable to be your number 2 or 3 starter (Harvey, Jiminez, Gallardo, etc.).

 

I remember Mazzone saying, I believe it was, that it was an “arm slot” issue with Ortiz that had been hexing him and that he thought he could fix it. I remember that being roundly ridiculed here, and hoping against hope that the pitching Oracle of Mazzone would be able to fix that.

Like most things during that era of the Orioles, I was left quite disappointed.

[LookinUp]

I"d DL Harvey. Give him a week or two off. Kind of start fresh without max effort/tension. Go to a rehab start or two and see if he can re-find it. Then cut him if/when he doesn't.

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, LookinUp said:

I"d DL Harvey. Give him a week or two off. Kind of start fresh without max effort/tension. Go to a rehab start or two and see if he can re-find it. Then cut him if/when he doesn't.

Is he injured?  I hadn't heard that he's injured.

[LookinUp]

4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Is he injured?  I hadn't heard that he's injured.

I interpret IL eligibility very liberally. He's either broken physically or mentally. Either way, he needs a reset. Might not work, but he's broken.

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, LookinUp said:

I interpret IL eligibility very liberally. He's either broken physically or mentally. Either way, he needs a reset. Might not work, but he's broken.

Just be careful not to complain about steroids, sign stealing or sticky balls. 

Cheating is cheating.

[LookinUp]

Just now, Can_of_corn said:

Just be careful not to complain about steroids, sign stealing or sticky balls. 

Cheating is cheating.

If he's relying on cheating or is generally unable to compete at this level any longer, you just cut him. My IL idea is essentially a last-ditch effort to reset, reduce his tension and restart one more time. If he can't do that, cut the guy. 

I don't mean to be cold about it, but he doesn't deserve special treatment just because his name is Matt Harvey.

[Mr. Chewbacca Jr.]

8 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

The TTP stuff with Matusz was one of the dumbest things I have ever seen a manager worry about.

Hard for people to steal bases on you when there's no one on the basepaths because you're always serving up meatball pitches for homeruns.