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Guys, things are looking up.  We are tied in the Win column with Arizona,  only 3 "back" in the Loss column.  Don't tell me what this team can't do.  Still a lot of time left. I believe in them.

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Diamondbacks Hangout must be melting down right now.

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Don’t ever tell this team they can’t suck more than another team. These guys are the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked. 

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15 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

I'd say that the current strategy of tanking is having a pretty big impact on the sport.

I've certainly seen a ton of ink about it.

The impact I was referring to is the ability of losing baseball teams to significantly improve themselves by acquiring a high draft pick. In baseball there's no such thing as a franchise changing player ala Michael Jordan, Alex Ovechkin, or Tom Brady. The Angels have had the best player in the world for a decade, and in that time have made the playoffs exactly once and got swept in that series. This year they had maybe the two best players on the planet and still lost more games than they won. Tanking only helps if you've got enough smart people behind the scenes who are not only good at picking good players at the top of round one, but good players in rounds two, three, four, and so on. And then the team has to have the right developmental staff to teach, nurture, and challenge those kids all the way to the majors. A successful franchise has a lot of pieces, and all the pieces matter. A high draft pick guarantees nothing, and will have no impact on the future W/L record if the rest of the pieces aren't there. 

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On 10/3/2021 at 6:12 PM, Tony-OH said:

Only the Orioles can lose 110 games in  year and only end up with the #2 overall pick.

The 2003 Detroit Tigers lost 119 games, and ended up with the #2 pick the next year. The Padres picked #1 and chose the immortal Matt Bush. Poor Detroit had to settle for Justin Verlander. 

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2 hours ago, ShoelesJoe said:

The 2003 Detroit Tigers lost 119 games, and ended up with the #2 pick the next year. The Padres picked #1 and chose the immortal Matt Bush. Poor Detroit had to settle for Justin Verlander. 

I think the best argument for the O’s getting the first pick is additional money to spend. If there’s no generational talent at 1:1, they can choose a Kjerstad/Cowser type and spread that money around later in the draft. 

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21 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

I'd say that the current strategy of tanking is having a pretty big impact on the sport.

I've certainly seen a ton of ink about it.

I agree - lots of "unnamed executives" in articles basically saying they would be surprised if anti-tanking measures aren't put in place in the next CBA, for what that's worth.

I'm speculating here, but I think it's likely we see a draft lottery, changes to how draft-bonus pools are allocated, and possibly a salary floor. I think the playoffs also expand, which help incentivize winning.

Either way, I think the new CBA is going to change things up quite a bit.

 

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As of now we’re looking at,

1:1

1A:32

2:39

3:68

4:99

If my math is right. That’s 5 picks in the top 100. Before FA. Elias has shown he can really make a difference with a draft pool this large. This is a better position than in 2019 when we had 5 in the top 108, but our comp pick was after rd 2 versus after rd 1. Just a reminder… Elias went AR, Gunnar, Stowers, Watson, Ortiz, that year. 

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4 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

As of now we’re looking at,

1:1

1A:32

2:39

3:68

4:99

If my math is right. That’s 5 picks in the top 100. Before FA. Elias has shown he can really make a difference with a draft pool this large. This is a better position than in 2019 when we had 5 in the top 108, but our comp pick was after rd 2 versus after rd 1. Just a reminder… Elias went AR, Gunnar, Stowers, Watson, Ortiz, that year. 

It has a chance to be a very high impact draft.   Hopefully it’s the last time we’ll be picking that high.   

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15 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

As of now we’re looking at,

1:1

1A:32

2:39

3:68

4:99

If my math is right. That’s 5 picks in the top 100. Before FA. Elias has shown he can really make a difference with a draft pool this large. This is a better position than in 2019 when we had 5 in the top 108, but our comp pick was after rd 2 versus after rd 1. Just a reminder… Elias went AR, Gunnar, Stowers, Watson, Ortiz, that year. 

Getting that 1A pick makes a big difference.  

Sorry if this has been discussed before, but is there any talk of allowing picks to be traded?  

 

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32 minutes ago, Porky said:

I agree - lots of "unnamed executives" in articles basically saying they would be surprised if anti-tanking measures aren't put in place in the next CBA, for what that's worth.

Bully - slam the door behind us.

Just don't take 2028 Adley away, please.

Circa 2025 would be great if AL bottom feeders had to fight for Marginal Win 70.

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1 hour ago, sportsfan8703 said:

As of now we’re looking at,

1:1

1A:32

2:39

3:68

4:99

If my math is right. That’s 5 picks in the top 100. Before FA. Elias has shown he can really make a difference with a draft pool this large. This is a better position than in 2019 when we had 5 in the top 108, but our comp pick was after rd 2 versus after rd 1. Just a reminder… Elias went AR, Gunnar, Stowers, Watson, Ortiz, that year. 

Yeah but what number is our critical 11th round pick, when we take our first pitcher of the draft?

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9 hours ago, sportsfan8703 said:

I expect Elias to go bat heavy again. It sounds crazy, but one more bat heavy draft can really set us up position wise for the next decade. 

I don’t think it’s crazy, I think it’s the smart strategy for a team in the Orioles’ position. I also think Elias decided a long time ago that drafting and developing high value position players rather than pitchers was his short term plan for improving the system. Who cares if your minor leagues are bereft of pitching? All that matters is whether or not the major league team has pitching. Once we have an excess of good minor league position players Elias will start trading the extra pieces for established pitchers that are ready to help the big league club. I assume at that point our draft and development will become more balanced between pitchers and position players, but maybe not. Maybe the best plan is to always stock up on bats, and deal for arms later. 

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17 hours ago, waroriole said:

I think the best argument for the O’s getting the first pick is additional money to spend. If there’s no generational talent at 1:1, they can choose a Kjerstad/Cowser type and spread that money around later in the draft. 

I'd say it's a little more like a Correa, where you get a 1-1 who's talent justifies it and still end up with $1-2M extra to allocate down draft.

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