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12 hours ago, Gurgi said:

2022.......Orioles have to try to win a spot with Urias, Odor, Phillips.  Bring the top rated prospect up?  No.  

 

10 hours ago, Gurgi said:

It would be a shame to intentionally not play potentially better options and throw away a shot at a playoff run.  Made worse because we seem to have answers sitting in AAA.   

But But But... Gunnar has to learn how to play first base!

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A lot of emotion to unpack there... It is hard to believe it has been 10 years.  But for Oriole fans who see 2012 as the good old days.  It is hard for me to really disagree with you.  My oldest

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Big difference between chasing for a division title (in a year where the Red Sox weren't good) and trying to fight for whatever new fandangled wild card berth MLB has cooked up to generate interest (i

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It's so funny... a widely held attitude around here about 5 or 6 months ago was that the rebuild was going too slowly, this team was far from contention, etc. If you had told me then where the Or

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On one hand, I admire Elias for sticking to his plan no matter what.  It’s a tough thing to do and maybe he does it and they still make the playoffs and everything turns out fine.  That will have been a lot of luck involved if that happens.

But if they miss the playoffs by a few games, it’s going to be very fair to question his decision making and his, seemingly, I don’t care if we make the playoffs in 2022 attitude.

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59 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Oh my God.  The posts about the Orioles having to call up Henderson and Stowers is bordering on 2008 level Mark Teixeira WOW offer obnoxiousness.

Does anything not annoy you these days? LOL

In 14 years on this site or however long it's been (for me), there have only ever been like 6 real separate topics at a time. You'd think you'd be used to it by now.

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12 hours ago, Jagwar said:

If... and I mean if... the main goal is to make the playoffs, Elias has to shake something up IMO. Bring up Gunnar and Stowers, and remove Nevin and Phillips. They add nothing to this team. 

Now is there a guarantee that Gunnar and Stowers will make an impact? Absolutely not. But if this team is going to make the postseason, it needs to try other options than its current bench.  

How many AB's have Nevin and Phillips actually had? If Gunnar and Stowers come up, in terms of actual AB's they should be replacing Odor/Vavra and probably Hays. That is a little more complicated, particularly Hays. I'm not against promoting these guys, but Nevin and Phillips aren't particularly relevant. 

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10 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

What's there to question if you already know the answers?

Learn to enjoy it....the questions will be framed accordingly.

The list of things many have been wrong about in 2022 is long and includes almost everyone.  But there is special joy watching those who critique the 2022 Orioles for not making adjustments to win it all after declaring that they were unfit as a major league team who were clearly deliberately trying to lose games on opening day and really through much of May.  All while see sawing to cover what is happening on the field with......I support what Elias is trying to do....but everything he is doing is stupid....

 

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People need to accept that Gunnar will (most likely) not be up until there is no chance whatsoever that he exceeds the threshold to retain 2023 rookie eligibility because that is what is best for the organization over the long haul. Elias doesn't care what a few random people on a message board think, nor should he. He is paid to be rational and calculating, not emotional and impatient.

If you want to be angry about it, be angry at the people who negotiated additional high draft picks for players finishing in the top 2 or 3 or whatever in the ROY race into the new CBA without realizing that this would be the logical outcome.

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39 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

What's there to question if you already know the answers?

Well, you don’t know that they make the playoffs even if they make those moves.  You don’t know the impact of those guys or what they would have done if they weren’t traded or called up earlier.

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1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:

Well, you don’t know that they make the playoffs even if they make those moves.  You don’t know the impact of those guys or what they would have done if they weren’t traded or called up earlier.

Well we can’t measure the clutch gene. Or can we?  Mountcastle and Hays are used to planning their vacations this time of year. 

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8 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Well, you don’t know that they make the playoffs even if they make those moves.  You don’t know the impact of those guys or what they would have done if they weren’t traded or called up earlier.

Hey, I want them to make the playoffs. But it’s also not the end of the world if they don’t. 
 

Like I said, this team still controls it’s destiny. 

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54 minutes ago, Sanfran327 said:

Does anything not annoy you these days? LOL

In 14 years on this site or however long it's been (for me), there have only ever been like 6 real separate topics at a time. You'd think you'd be used to it by now.

I’m saying the Machado comp has been done to death already.  Bringing it up again like it's an original, independent thought is exhausting.  

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It would be dumb for Gunnar to come up before Tuesday at this point.

They already almost certainly cost themselves one draft pick by not having Adley on the Opening Day roster when he is likely going to finish top 2 in Rookie of the Year this year and get a full year of service time anyway. Might as well position Gunnar to have a chance to finish in the top 2 as well next year and get a draft pick.

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11 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

I’m saying the Machado comp has been done to death already.  Bringing it up again like it's an original, independent thought is exhausting.  

Ah, yes. True that. As a blanket statement these days, people almost expect history to repeat itself. 49ers groups I'm in are constantly creating parallels to championship seasons and thinking things will play out the same way again.

Still, this offense is stagnant af now, and we need Henderson's bat in the lineup. :D

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1 minute ago, MurphDogg said:

It would be dumb for Gunnar to come up before Tuesday at this point.

They already almost certainly cost themselves one draft pick by not having Adley on the Opening Day roster when he is likely going to finish top 2 in Rookie of the Year this year and get a full year of service time anyway. Might as well position Gunnar to have a chance to finish in the top 2 as well next year and get a draft pick.

I'm sure the plan was for Adley to be so far behind when he eventually got promoted this wouldn't happen.

Elias might double down with Gunnar next season.

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