What will the O's off season moves be?

[Aristotelian]

1 hour ago, wildcard said:

I misses the report of Clevinger partying that hurt his team.  Can you provide a link?

He was involved with Plesac. Here is one with comments from Adam Plutko https://factoryofsadness.co/2020/08/12/cleveland-indians-need-suspend-mike-clevinger-zach-plesac/

Passan says he flew back with the team (Plesac drove home)

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/cubs/indians-mike-clevinger-went-out-zach-plesac-chicago-sent-quarantine

 

Clevinger demoted as a result. Apparently there was a video where he and Plesac were less than apologetic:

https://sports.yahoo.com/indians-send-down-clevinger-plesac-virus-blunder-221630802--mlb.html

[Frobby]

23 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

The only time I read Roch is when someone here links to him.

Stuff like this is why.

You have to separate the wheat from the chaff. Every so often there’s a nugget.  

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Frobby said:

You have to separate the wheat from the chaff. Every so often there’s a nugget.  

I let folks like you do it for me. 

[Roll Tide]

8 hours ago, wildcard said:

You think picking the Powerball numbers is hard?  Its got nothing of pick the O's moves this off season.   Here are my guesses.

Lyles:  O's decline the option but say they may pursue him in FA.

Abreu:  2/35 plus an option to play DH/1B.  Because he has shown he can hit well as a DH.  His career DH splits are 290/352/493/843. His 2022 DH splits were 330/412/478/891.  

Just because a player can hit does not mean he hits well as a DH.  Remember Mark Trumbo?   His career OPS as a RFer 862.  As a DH 695.   Mountcastle career DH OPS is 733/ 2022 DH OPS 592.  Santander career DH OPS 704/ 2022 DH OPS 642. Pederson career DH OPS 616/ 2022 DH OPS 616.

Clevinger:  2/31 plus an option. He has career numbers that are less hits than inning pitched, and more strikeout than innings pitched.  He had a 4.33 ERA and a 1.198 WHIP in 2022 on his first season back from TJ surgery.   I think Holt and the O's physical trainers can get him back to his career 3.39 ERA and a 1.188 WHIP.

Backup Catcher:  Waiting for the non tenders.  I want someone who hit lefties and is a good defensive catcher.

I’m going Correa, Madison Bumgarner,  and Syndergaard

[Can_of_corn]

7 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

I’m going Correa, Madison Bumgarner,  and Syndergaard

Meh, ugh, ehh.

[rm5678]

8 hours ago, wildcard said:

Backup Catcher:  Waiting for the non tenders.  I want someone who hit lefties and is a good defensive catcher.

Mike Zunino is a free agent and hits lefties well.

[Roll Tide]

30 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Meh, ugh, ehh.

Sorry ….just my guess 

[seak05]

My #1 priority for the Orioles this offseason is to sign a top line starter (doesn't need to be an ace but a solid #3 with #2 potential, someone who could start a playoff game). 

I wouldn't like another bat, but I don't think you need to pay the premium one of the shortstops will command. A Josh Bell or Nimmo type would fit well. 

I'm also hoping that the Orioles lock up some of their own young talent long term 

 

[Roll Tide]

9 hours ago, seak05 said:

My #1 priority for the Orioles this offseason is to sign a top line starter (doesn't need to be an ace but a solid #3 with #2 potential, someone who could start a playoff game). 

I wouldn't like another bat, but I don't think you need to pay the premium one of the shortstops will command. A Josh Bell or Nimmo type would fit well. 

I'm also hoping that the Orioles lock up some of their own young talent long term 

 

Isn’t Lyles a solid #3? 

[Sports Guy]

1 hour ago, Roll Tide said:

Isn’t Lyles a solid #3? 

No

[sportsfan8703]

Abreu. Even if it’s 3/60. No shift. He gets to hit behind Mullins, AR, and Gunnar. Abreu would have a crazy BA and just rack up RBI. 

[Orioles0615]

A lot of talk, but they will do the same old Orioles crap and it will be something like Micahel Wacha, and bringing back Lyles and Mancini. Then fans will jump through hoops to defend Elias. 

[Frobby]

3 hours ago, Roll Tide said:

Isn’t Lyles a solid #3? 

I’d say Lyles would be fine as a no. 5.   Below average ERA but helps the bullpen stay fresh.  On a good team, a no. 3 needs to have an above average ERA.

[wildcard]

32 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I’d say Lyles would be fine as a no. 5.   Below average ERA but helps the bullpen stay fresh.  On a good team, a no. 3 needs to have an above average ERA.

Agree with this.  But if there are better starters available Elias should get one instead.

[Roll Tide]

42 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I’d say Lyles would be fine as a no. 5.   Below average ERA but helps the bullpen stay fresh.  On a good team, a no. 3 needs to have an above average ERA.

Gotcha …. I thought Lyles was very competitive in many of his starts. I seem to remember a few really bad outings. I m sure not all 4.4 eras are created equal. If a guy gives you 7 out of ten starts gives you 6+ and 3 runs or less and the other 3 are bad is much better than the guy that gives you 4-5 runs in 6 innings every start. I check bbref to see if I could locate his QS stat.